OK. Lets crystallize the issue then: Will the group you reference vote for Sen. McCain because of this one issue? Is it enough to cause them to overlook any other major differences they may have? That's what we're really talking about.

These questions can be asked of any group. What we are talking about is whether these remarks willl reach that group in a meaningful way. Of course it will. Adults and children with disabilities are almost always an afterthought, or a tiny passage in a massive platform. So to have a major candidate put our interests in the forefront of such a major speech is truly significant. Believe me, it wil make these people take notice. It will have as much influence on them as the abortion issue, the gun issue, or any other issue has on those with an interest in them.

 

 

[i added some statistics to my previous post.]

Both Palin's and Rudy's speech were great. My roomates and I really enjoyed them. Rudy got in same great jabs and the crowd was fired up.

I thought Rudy was more vicious than anything. Palin was sort of funny in her jabs.

Can you expand on your point Birdsfan?

 

I see two people listed who gave to Democrat campaigns. So is the point that the whole paper must be Democrat leaning? Does it mean the authors of this piece and/or event are these 2 who are Left Leaning? Is it because they gave and then the whole paper must be that way? I'm seriously :confused: and wonder where this thought is going.

 

For what it's worth, I thought the same thing but anyone can say that about any poll or commentary.

 

http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=301702713742569

 

News organizations give to Dems over Repubs, by a landslide.

I thought Rudy was more vicious than anything. Palin was sort of funny in her jabs.

 

What are vicious attacks to some are much needed information to others. We need to know how many times Obama voted "present". We need to know that he became a celebrity after his speech at the DNC in '04 and has basically been running for president ever since. We need to know who his associates were and who has influenced him. We need to know what he has said about those of us in "small town America". We need to know his voting record. We need to know more than just what the Obama campaign will tell us.

These questions can be asked of any group. What we are talking about is whether these remarks willl reach that group in a meaningful way. Of course it will. Adults and children with disabilities are almost always an afterthought, or a tiny passage in a massive platform. So to have a major candidate put our interests in the forefront of such a major speech is truly significant. Believe me, it wil make these people take notice. It will have as much influence on them as the abortion issue, the gun issue, or any other issue has on those with an interest in them.

 

 

[i added some statistics to my previous post.]

 

 

BF - how would Gov. Palin prove that she walks the walk unlike a lot of pols?

http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=301702713742569

 

News organizations give to Dems over Repubs, by a landslide.

 

Holy Cow! I had no idea it was so lopsided. I figured it was slanted in favor towards the D's, but 100-1. That's amazing.

 

To the extent that political contributions are made based on support (which is almost always the case, with the exception of Ky highway contractors; they give money to every candidate to hedge their bets:D), those statistics are alarming if they are accurate. Do people think a journalist can fairly cover a campaign if they financially support one candidate over the other? There may be some that can, but boy, human nature being what it is, I'd think it'd be very tough to do so. That article and the stats really supports the "evil media" argument of the R's I'd think. Man, I'm just blown away at the lopsided giving. Really, I am.

I understand that it is still available on youtube. I will try to embed it later if somebody else does not beat me to the punch.

I can't find it anywere and would also like to see it.

What exactly were over the top?

Just curious?

Off the top of my head ...

 

The "parting the waters" comment and the "community organizing with actual responsibility" comment. It's obvious that Obama's "community organizer" background has become a GOP talking point.

 

Frankly, I feel the constant mocking and condescension is beneath her.

I seriously question whether these are really "independents."

 

According to a recent investigation into political contributions by media outlets:

 

(D) Detroit Free Press, Susan Hall-Balduf, copy editor, $300 to John Kerry in July 2004. Now editing news copy, she gave when she was in features.

 

(D) Detroit Free Press, Joel Thurtell, reporter, $500 to the Michigan Democratic State Central Committee in September 2004.

Hall-Balduf was a features writer and now she's a copy editor ... something tells me she wasn't involved in covering the presidential campaign. So that disqualifies her from making a contribtion?

 

If Thurtell covers state politics (I don't know what he does), that could be construed as a conflict of interest. Otherwise, he's a citizen ... he can contribute his own money to whatever cause he chooses.

The slight difference that you missed is that Sean Hannity is a talking head, Harry Reid is the Senate majority leader...

No argument there, but Hannity probably has as much influence (or more) on public opinion as Reid does.

No argument there, but Hannity probably has as much influence (or more) on public opinion as Reid does.

 

No contest on public opinion.

Here is a very interesting article from the Detroit Free Press. They gathered a group of likely voters - Republican, Democrat, and independent - had them watch the speech and then give their reaction. Republicans loved it, Democrats hated it. But, read the comments by the independents.

 

"Sarah Palin came across as the small town girl who made good. I knew that I disagreed with her on some issues before this evening. After listening to her speech … it appears that once she makes up her mind, that is the end of it. We live in a gray world, not every answer is black and white.”

 

-- Diane Murphy, 42, Sterling Heights independent

 

“I was completely underwhelmed. She was a Republican novelty act with a sophomoric script. It was not even a speech I would expect for a someone running for the local PTA, much less for vice president.”

 

-- George Lentz, 66, Southfield independent

 

“Who is Sarah Palin? I'm sorry but I still don't know anymore about this young lady tonight than I did last night ... The way it looks to me, she's the Republican vice presidential nominee for one reason: because Hillary wasn't selected.”

 

-- Mike Kosh, 38, West Bloomfield independent

 

"Sarah Palin is a self-described ‘pitbull with lipstick.’ She spent little time helping Americans learn who she is. She is a cool, poised speaker, but her speech contained few statements about policy or the party platform. … I am not convinced that Palin's experience as a mayor or governor in Alaska meet the qualifications to be vice president much less one stroke or heart attack away from being commander in chief.”

 

-- Ilene Beninson, 52, Berkley independent

 

“Nothing worked for me. I found her barrage of snide remarksand distortions to be a major turn off. She is not a class act. The most important point she made is that she will be an effective attack dog.”

 

-- Jan Wheelock, 58, Royal Oak independent

 

“Sarah got as much applause as Hillary did, and had a friendly, appealing appearance.

Her delivery style reminded me of a high school valedictorian who also might have been a cheerleader. I thought she would appear more professional, more stateswomanly. She's no match for Joe Biden.”

 

-- Joellen Gilchrist, 64, Beverly Hills independent

 

According to polls coming out, McCain/Palin got a 9 point bump from independents who were either undecided or leaning Obama/Biden.

As a stand up comedy routine, Gov. Fargo knocked it out of the park.

( That is if she were on a little league field ) She reminded me of when Roseann Barr first started her stand up routine using her husband as the butt of every one of her jokes.

 

As an introduction of herself to the nation, and a convention speech, not so good. She spent about a half hour and did not offer one comment on how she feels about the economy, healthcare, foreign policy ect. But then again it doesn't matter what she thinks because she will have to abide by McBush's platform, or lack there of.

 

As far as Mr. 911 and his "How dare you question if she can be VP and take care of her family"....

 

HOW DARE YOU RUDY...TO ANNOUNCE YOUR DIVORCE TO THE MEDIA BEFORE YOU EVEN HAD THE GUTS TO SIT DOWN WITH YOUR OWN WIFE AND MOTHER OF YOUR CHILDREN THAT YOU WERE LEAVING. Your actions show your true feelings of how you feel about women much more then a one liner in a convention speech.

 

It's clear they want Gov Fargo to mouth off for the party because any retaliation would look like the dems were picking on the girl. I say if ya wanna act like a political bully you will get treated like one, but Obama and JB have way too much class for that. And if the press happens to remark on her performance or policies then they are bias. It won't work.

As a stand up comedy routine, Gov. Fargo knocked it out of the park.

( That is if she were on a little league field ) She reminded me of when Roseann Barr first started her stand up routine using her husband as the butt of every one of her jokes.

 

As an introduction of herself to the nation, and a convention speech, not so good. She spent about a half hour and did not offer one comment on how she feels about the economy, healthcare, foreign policy ect. But then again it doesn't matter what she thinks because she will have to abide by McBush's platform, or lack there of.

 

As far as Mr. 911 and his "How dare you question if she can be VP and take care of her family"....

 

HOW DARE YOU RUDY...TO ANNOUNCE YOUR DIVORCE TO THE MEDIA BEFORE YOU EVEN HAD THE GUTS TO SIT DOWN WITH YOUR OWN WIFE AND MOTHER OF YOUR CHILDREN THAT YOU WERE LEAVING. Your actions show your true feelings of how you feel about women much more then a one liner in a convention speech.

 

It's clear they want Gov Fargo to mouth off for the party because any retaliation would look like the dems were picking on the girl. I say if ya wanna act like a political bully you will get treated like one, but Obama and JB have way too much class for that. And if the press happens to remark on her performance or policies then they are bias. It won't work.

Nothing new here. It's the kind of low-road, bashing the nation has come to expect from the far left.

 

As for the underlined part above: If you listened to the speech you would have heard her comments on all of those subjects through out the speech.