The Lexington schools don't have the courage to schedule Louisville schools now, public or private.

 

Both Lafayette and Dunbar scheduled T last year.

All Tell in football it pretty much has been a 2 or 3 team breakaway for a long time and that is due to the numbers they have to choose from. I am sure in the past they have bent the rules to get a kid they wanted to play. There is also a rule in the public school system that I do not like and that one is if I don't like the coach and I like the other one across town all I have to do is move and be in that district and I can play at that school. I know why the rule is there but that rule has been bent broken so bad as well so a kid can be eligible instantly it is sick. Sorry about the private school bashing earlier because this is the public rule that they use to get what they want.

 

I guess we all must face it rules are made to be broken or changed and I do not have a problem playing T or X on our schedule every year if it will help my son be looked at by say Florida or LSU as opposed to Eastern KY or Georgetown College, and I am not knocking those schools they are great schools but in football neither of them are Florida or LSU.

 

Please. If you're so sure that they have "bent the rules in the past" then turn them in.

 

I graduated from a large public high school in 1978. Our male population at that time was larger then both X and Trinity and yet X and Trinity were winning championships. How can that be if there "has been a 2 or 3 team breakaway for a long time and that is due to the numbers they have to choose from.".

AllTell, I said I only "researched" those states, not Ohio. I went to Iroquois High. Iroquois/Atherton are now 5A for a reason.

Please. If you're so sure that they have "bent the rules in the past" then turn them in.

 

I graduated from a large public high school in 1978. Our male population at that time was larger then both X and Trinity and yet X and Trinity were winning championships. How can that be if there "has been a 2 or 3 team breakaway for a long time and that is due to the numbers they have to choose from.".

 

You are totally missing the point of my post go back and read it again! If a kid transfers from one school and says he moved but really didin't but uses his grandma's address and a school really doesn't research it or if at a say baseball summer allstar game a private school coach talks to a kid about his school and the kid ends up going to school there that would be considered bending the rules or actually breaking the rules really without knowing. What I am trying to say is if you go back and think about it almost every school in the state probably some knowing and others not knowing have broken the rules.

 

Did you know that if you are a high school athlete and you go moonlight bowling and you bowl a strike and you go up to the counter and get your dollar for throwing a strike that you are breaking a KHSAA rule and actually can lose your eligibilty? I have been a bowler for over 30 years and have coached youth bowlers and this was a big deal. I have since been out of the sport and do not know if this rule still reads the way it did but heck I did that all through high school and never thought once that I may not be able to play in college if someone found out I took a dollar for rolling a strike while moonlight bowling.

 

So now do you understand what I am talking about without saying if I know of this turn them in? I am not turning in a kid over a dollar but you can go to the bowling alley every saturday night and probably rule half of the state ineligible.

AllTell, I said I only "researched" those states, not Ohio. I went to Iroquois High. Iroquois/Atherton are now 5A for a reason.

 

When Iroquois was in the same district as Male were they on a "level playing field"? I don't remember any remorse from then when they beat us fairly soundly on a regular basis.

You are totally missing the point of my post go back and read it again! If a kid transfers from one school and says he moved but really didin't but uses his grandma's address and a school really doesn't research it or if at a say baseball summer allstar game a private school coach talks to a kid about his school and the kid ends up going to school there that would be considered bending the rules or actually breaking the rules really without knowing. What I am trying to say is if you go back and think about it almost every school in the state probably some knowing and others not knowing have broken the rules.

 

Did you know that if you are a high school athlete and you go moonlight bowling and you bowl a strike and you go up to the counter and get your dollar for throwing a strike that you are breaking a KHSAA rule and actually can lose your eligibilty? I have been a bowler for over 30 years and have coached youth bowlers and this was a big deal. I have since been out of the sport and do not know if this rule still reads the way it did but heck I did that all through high school and never thought once that I may not be able to play in college if someone found out I took a dollar for rolling a strike while moonlight bowling.

 

So now do you understand what I am talking about without saying if I know of this turn them in? I am not turning in a kid over a dollar but you can go to the bowling alley every saturday night and probably rule half of the state ineligible.

 

Yes I knew that and I'm sorry but I don't see how it fits your contention that private schools bend the rules.

Yes I knew that and I'm sorry but I don't see how it fits your contention that private schools bend the rules.

 

Some do! We had a kid that started baseball as an 8th grader and beat the private school. The private school was ranked in the top 5 in the state at that time. The next year the star 8th grader was at that private school and did not have to sit out a year because he had played a varsity sport and you know the reason they put as to why the transfer? They had changed their religion and thus for was eligible instantly. The school the kid transfered from got a letter from the private school stating in no way was the kid persuaded and pretty much dared the school to turn them in. Trust me it did happen. So the school board chariman's son was good friends with the kid that transfered and really did not want to press the issue and all of that for the kids sake so he just let it go. That school got sweet revenge the following year as they knocked that private school out in the district tourney again without the kid mentioned.

The next year the star 8th grader was at that private school and did not have to sit out a year because he had played a varsity sport and you know the reason they put as to why the transfer? They had changed their religion and thus for was eligible instantly.

 

Eligibility at any school is not established until that 8th grade student is enrolled at a particular HS. It doesn't matter if that player was the best player on the team, eligibility does not start until that student is enrolled as a 9th grade student. A student can go to any HS they choose coming out of middle school. But in the case of public schools, if the student doesn't live in that school district they will not receive ADA money for the student unless there is an agreement with the district in which the student actually lives. It is not a big deal for private schools to take any student from any middle school and they will be eligible because private schools do not rely on the ADA money to pay the bills.

 

If there is "recruiting" going on, it is very difficult to prove.

But that wasn't a violation of any rules. That's not even bending the rules. Before a rule just passed this year any kid could play for one high school in the 8th grade and change to another high school for 9th grade with no loss of eligibility. It was legal for that to happen. I have no idea why the private school dared the public school to turn them in because they hadn't broken any rules, nor do I understand why there would have to be a reason given for the change since the kid would have been eligible under any circumstances. If the AD at the school that the kid played for as an 8th grader thinks there was a violation then I would say that AD didn't know the rules very well.

On the bolded, you do realize that this country has quota hirings for minorities and females. That they can be of a less qualified candidate and still get the job because of their skin color or gender. That is real life.

I understand your assertion that this practice occurs in the real world outside of high school sports, but are you actually endorsing quotas? Are you sincerely suggesting that given a choice between the most and least qualified that you would willingly place your cranium under the saw and knife of the least qualified brain surgeon candidates?

 

If you would, I seriously question your logic. If you wouldn't why should anyone else? Is that truly fair?

 

This whole episode is a sad commentary on the state of our society. America was not built by whiners who complained every time things didn't seem fair. Life isn't fair.

 

The way I look at it, unless my child is a female or a minority, I'd better teach him how to compete against the very best, in order to become his very best, because in the real world he's going to have to compete to be successful. That's why I will never place him in a school led by one of these clowns.

Some do! We had a kid that started baseball as an 8th grader and beat the private school. The private school was ranked in the top 5 in the state at that time. The next year the star 8th grader was at that private school and did not have to sit out a year because he had played a varsity sport and you know the reason they put as to why the transfer? They had changed their religion and thus for was eligible instantly. The school the kid transfered from got a letter from the private school stating in no way was the kid persuaded and pretty much dared the school to turn them in. Trust me it did happen. So the school board chariman's son was good friends with the kid that transfered and really did not want to press the issue and all of that for the kids sake so he just let it go. That school got sweet revenge the following year as they knocked that private school out in the district tourney again without the kid mentioned.

 

If those are the kinds of facts that you base your disapproval of privates on, you may want to re examine things. First of all, a change of religion is NOT a valid reason to gain eligibility. I don't know who told you that but they are wrong, wrong, wrong. The reason the kid was eligible immediately is because that unless and until the rule gets changed (and at this point the rule change has not been approved), the rule states that eligibility is only affected starting in the 9th grade. Thus, even if the kid played in a varsity game as an 8th grader, he was totally free to transfer school systems at the end of the 8th grade without any impact on eligibility. The school board chairman could have complained all he wanted to and it wouldn't have mattered unless he could prove that the private school recruited the kid. And contrary to what some think, kids decide to transfer schools without being recruited.

But that wasn't a violation of any rules. That's not even bending the rules. Before a rule just passed this year any kid could play for one high school in the 8th grade and change to another high school for 9th grade with no loss of eligibility. It was legal for that to happen. I have no idea why the private school dared the public school to turn them in because they hadn't broken any rules, nor do I understand why there would have to be a reason given for the change since the kid would have been eligible under any circumstances. If the AD at the school that the kid played for as an 8th grader thinks there was a violation then I would say that AD didn't know the rules very well.

 

The rule change has NOT yet been finally approved.

OK but I thought there was a rule if you play a varsity sport and transfer you would be ineligible for a year. So that rule does not apply to an 8th grader if he plays a varsity sport? Then middle school kids should not be eligible to play high school sports period until grade 9. That is just my opinion. Now also if you play for a high school as an 8th grader the rules should apply because he or she is a participant for that school. So what if a kid is in 8th grade and is failing every class but continues to play same rules should apply for all players right?

 

Does everyone get where I am going with that? There has to be some rule if a middle schooler is playing high school sports right? If that is not the case why would any coach invest a year in a kid and then the kid leave and go to the cross town rival? Sound like the KHSAA needs to close some holes in some rules to me.

OK but I thought there was a rule if you play a varsity sport and transfer you would be ineligible for a year. So that rule does not apply to an 8th grader if he plays a varsity sport? Then middle school kids should not be eligible to play high school sports period until grade 9. That is just my opinion. Now also if you play for a high school as an 8th grader the rules should apply because he or she is a participant for that school. So what if a kid is in 8th grade and is failing every class but continues to play same rules should apply for all players right?

 

Does everyone get where I am going with that? There has to be some rule if a middle schooler is playing high school sports right? If that is not the case why would any coach invest a year in a kid and then the kid leave and go to the cross town rival? Sound like the KHSAA needs to close some holes in some rules to me.

 

 

From what I recall, there is a state statute that specifically allows 7th and 8th graders to participate in varsity high schools sports (with the exception of football and wrestling because of the contact involved). Some small schools might not be able to field varsity teams without 7th and 8th graders, is part of the justification for the statute. Thus the KHSAA cannot change that issue. The KHSAA has a lot of power but they certainly don't have more juice than the General Assembly. The KHSAA, via a proposal passed by the schools, was trying to make 7th and 8th graders that do participate in varsity high school sports ineligible for a year if they attend a high school that is not in the same district as the middle school. The legislature has said that they will not allow such rule change to go into effect. So that's dead from what I understand.

 

You ask why would a coach make an investment in a 7th or 8th grader that may end up at another high school? I have to believe its because the coach believes the 7th or 8th grader can help the varsity team that year be more successful. Why else would the coach play a 7th or 8th grader in varsity games? As long as the coach goes into it with his or her eyes wide open and knows what may happen, I really don't have any problem with the current rule. If the coach is worried about a 7th or 8th grader eventually leaving, then don't play the kid. Let them play on the middle school team and be done with it.

 

Bottom line is that the loop holes that you mention can't be closed by the KHSAA. Hope that helps.

Who are the other two Catholic schools?

 

 

Louisville Holy Cross and DeSales.