Ok I'm back Alltell...now now. You saw Coach Redman pour it on teams, my kid played for the man I've seen things that you have no clue about.

 

I can't speak for Ohio/Indiana...I only researched those football states that have lot of kids playing football,

 

Its a matter of time before Jefferson County follows the rest of the "Cowards" your word not mine.

 

I had a son go through the traditional program and talk to parents every week trying to get a child into it, as of right now I don't have a cow in the fight but do have a son who entering this fall. Not every kid gets in is my point.

 

Male lost to Manual last year and the last three years won two out of three on last play field goals. They have lost to several out of the county schools the last 4 out 5 years, have not won state that someone made a reference to since 2000, reference 18 or something like that. I'm more proud of my softball championships than yelling out about something I just watched.

 

There is more to life than winning State, yes everybody wants to win, but when you work hard and play hard and do win, why do we must yell it out when debating...we are not surprised that you have 18 rings and my brother thats the whole point of this situation, level...equal for everyone.

 

So by your logic, since you didn't play on all of Alabama's national championship teams you clearly have no right or reason to reference those either.

All Tell in football it pretty much has been a 2 or 3 team breakaway for a long time and that is due to the numbers they have to choose from. I am sure in the past they have bent the rules to get a kid they wanted to play. There is also a rule in the public school system that I do not like and that one is if I don't like the coach and I like the other one across town all I have to do is move and be in that district and I can play at that school. I know why the rule is there but that rule has been bent broken so bad as well so a kid can be eligible instantly it is sick. Sorry about the private school bashing earlier because this is the public rule that they use to get what they want.

 

I guess we all must face it rules are made to be broken or changed and I do not have a problem playing T or X on our schedule every year if it will help my son be looked at by say Florida or LSU as opposed to Eastern KY or Georgetown College, and I am not knocking those schools they are great schools but in football neither of them are Florida or LSU.

 

 

Those public rules only apply to districts without open enrollment.

Staying out of the public schools and paying for your athletes. And do not say it hasn't happened either. For the most part Public schools play by the rules they take the kids that live in their district.

 

For the most part Private schools give tuition to the kids that can jump run fast or shoot the 30 foot jump shot.

 

Tell me the last time a private school gave financial aid to the poor kid that wanted to go there but was a little troubled and had no clue what sports were?

 

NEVER!!! Because it would make the school look bad. And you call yourself a religious school with morals.

 

This happens fairly often. Just because you aren't aware of it doesn't mean it "NEVER" happens. This type of rhetoric and always/never statements are part of the problem with this issue.

From what I recall, there is a state statute that specifically allows 7th and 8th graders to participate in varsity high schools sports (with the exception of football and wrestling because of the contact involved). Some small schools might not be able to field varsity teams without 7th and 8th graders, is part of the justification for the statute. Thus the KHSAA cannot change that issue. The KHSAA has a lot of power but they certainly don't have more juice than the General Assembly. The KHSAA, via a proposal passed by the schools, was trying to make 7th and 8th graders that do participate in varsity high school sports ineligible for a year if they attend a high school that is not in the same district as the middle school. The legislature has said that they will not allow such rule change to go into effect. So that's dead from what I understand.

 

You ask why would a coach make an investment in a 7th or 8th grader that may end up at another high school? I have to believe its because the coach believes the 7th or 8th grader can help the varsity team that year be more successful. Why else would the coach play a 7th or 8th grader in varsity games? As long as the coach goes into it with his or her eyes wide open and knows what may happen, I really don't have any problem with the current rule. If the coach is worried about a 7th or 8th grader eventually leaving, then don't play the kid. Let them play on the middle school team and be done with it.

 

Bottom line is that the loop holes that you mention can't be closed by the KHSAA. Hope that helps.

 

My turn to correct you. :thumb: The exceptions to the rule are football and soccer. Middle schoolers can wrestle at the varsity level.

 

And thanks for the info on the transfer rule. I thought it had been finalized.

I understand your assertion that this practice occurs in the real world outside of high school sports, but are you actually endorsing quotas? Are you sincerely suggesting that given a choice between the most and least qualified that you would willingly place your cranium under the saw and knife of the least qualified brain surgeon candidates?

 

If you would, I seriously question your logic. If you wouldn't why should anyone else? Is that truly fair?

 

This whole episode is a sad commentary on the state of our society. America was not built by whiners who complained every time things didn't seem fair. Life isn't fair.

 

The way I look at it, unless my child is a female or a minority, I'd better teach him how to compete against the very best, in order to become his very best, because in the real world he's going to have to compete to be successful. That's why I will never place him in a school led by one of these clowns.

 

No, I don't endorse blanket quotas.

 

I would bet if you asked Englanders at the time of the late 1700's, they would say that the colonists were whiners. O we are overtaxed. O we don't have representation.

 

You take England's view and I would think they thought this country was founded on whining about their situation.

Staying out of the public schools and paying for your athletes. And do not say it hasn't happened either. For the most part Public schools play by the rules they take the kids that live in their district.

 

For the most part Private schools give tuition to the kids that can jump run fast or shoot the 30 foot jump shot.

 

Tell me the last time a private school gave financial aid to the poor kid that wanted to go there but was a little troubled and had no clue what sports were?

 

NEVER!!! Because it would make the school look bad. And you call yourself a religious school with morals.

 

The last time was year after year when my families' children were given aid and couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time. You are TOTALLY uninformed and refuse to confirm your thoughts. How about yo call a Private school and inquire about their financial aid programs without mentioning sports and see what kind of answer you get. You don't have the nerve to do it because you know the answer will shot down your beliefs.

I don't have an avatar with our 12 championships. I do have a shirt with them listed, but when I debate someone I don't run to the Championships as much as some people do.

 

Now if we are debating about the most tradition rich college football team ...then thats win I'd use them.

 

It doesn't fit here, but glad you brought it up, man its the slow season.

Obviously Jefferson County's super didn't sign it. Who did sign it?

 

Rest assured it wasn't NKY didn't either as they very emphatically said they were NOT going to boycott private schools. So if you eliminate Louisville and NKY, that leaves Lexington and all the state schools who will have not play Riverside Christian, Piarist, and the other cannon fodder schools that some teams fatten their record on. BUT, there is out that you really can play them if you have a good relationship with them. Bet these small private schools won't have trouble getting games with public schools. This whole thing is a charade and "Paper Tiger" issue, because with all the exceptions the only area that has really said they won't play private schools is Lexington, and I personally know of several public school coaches who dispise this move, but can't do anything about it.

Some do! We had a kid that started baseball as an 8th grader and beat the private school. The private school was ranked in the top 5 in the state at that time. The next year the star 8th grader was at that private school and did not have to sit out a year because he had played a varsity sport and you know the reason they put as to why the transfer? They had changed their religion and thus for was eligible instantly. The school the kid transfered from got a letter from the private school stating in no way was the kid persuaded and pretty much dared the school to turn them in. Trust me it did happen. So the school board chariman's son was good friends with the kid that transfered and really did not want to press the issue and all of that for the kids sake so he just let it go. That school got sweet revenge the following year as they knocked that private school out in the district tourney again without the kid mentioned.

 

By rule an 8th grader can attend any high school they want without sitting out a year, even if they participated in a varsity sport. They need no reason other than they want to. It happens all the time in NKY in girls basketball

No, I don't endorse blanket quotas.

 

I would bet if you asked Englanders at the time of the late 1700's, they would say that the colonists were whiners. O we are overtaxed. O we don't have representation.

 

You take England's view and I would think they thought this country was founded on whining about their situation.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Yeah, they probably did think that until we kicked their pommy butts outta here. I doubt they thought we were whining then.

 

Our nation is being divided and this decision is just one more absolutely terrible attempt to create even greater division... all in a vain attempt to bring about a mythical "level playing field." You couldn't set up an entire generation for disappointment and failure any better if you tried.

You are totally missing the point of my post go back and read it again! If a kid transfers from one school and says he moved but really didin't but uses his grandma's address and a school really doesn't research it or if at a say baseball summer allstar game a private school coach talks to a kid about his school and the kid ends up going to school there that would be considered bending the rules or actually breaking the rules really without knowing. What I am trying to say is if you go back and think about it almost every school in the state probably some knowing and others not knowing have broken the rules.

 

Did you know that if you are a high school athlete and you go moonlight bowling and you bowl a strike and you go up to the counter and get your dollar for throwing a strike that you are breaking a KHSAA rule and actually can lose your eligibilty? I have been a bowler for over 30 years and have coached youth bowlers and this was a big deal. I have since been out of the sport and do not know if this rule still reads the way it did but heck I did that all through high school and never thought once that I may not be able to play in college if someone found out I took a dollar for rolling a strike while moonlight bowling.

 

So now do you understand what I am talking about without saying if I know of this turn them in? I am not turning in a kid over a dollar but you can go to the bowling alley every saturday night and probably rule half of the state ineligible.

 

Please tell me you don't honestly believe no public school has ever used (or is currently using) the fictional address trick? If that is the case, I believe there is some prime FL swampland you may be interested in purchasing.

My turn to correct you. :thumb: The exceptions to the rule are football and soccer. Middle schoolers can wrestle at the varsity level.

 

And thanks for the info on the transfer rule. I thought it had been finalized.

 

 

Thanks for the correction. I don't mind it at all.

TO BE SARCASTIC...I am selling State champ rings for $300 EA. Please place your orders at BBB.com.(just kidding) Oh yea, if you cannot pay for them, it's because your gate revenue (people coming to see your team play) is down.

 

What does it cost Dixie HS (in gate revenue, not to mention pride) to not play CCH or NCC? In NKY they will just go over ther river to play. This is a dumb move... no matter how you look at it.. Maybe Southern Ohio should anex NKY!!!!

 

WAKE UP!! TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY KIDS TRAVEL MILES TO AVOID ENROLLMENT AT THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS... HECK IN NKY YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR HIGH SCHOOL IN KENTON COUNTY. WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE!!!!!!!

 

I hope they figured this out..

Did I miss another report with more detailed information? According to the article linked KASS represents 174 schools but no where did it say 174 supers signed anything. The article even states the super of the biggest district in the state is not going to honor the reduction.

 

Why all the cloak and dagger garbage? I think supers should each put his/her stance in writing and then publish the list of where everyone stands.

 

An excellent point. If a super does not clearly take a public stance on this issue, either way, then - they truely are a 'coward'.

 

Most hid behind Mr. Sears in the Prop 2 debacle. Where is their smoke screen on this?

 

It would be interesting to see states super for the 2nd largest school system take an official, public stance. But don't hold your breath.

Could the real coward be those parents who take their kids to private schools to try to avoid the "riff-raff" that attend public schools?

 

Regarding the issue: IMO this recommendation does not address the heart of the problem which is recruiting as a whole and not a specifically public/private issue.