I think the not playing the private schools is creating a bigger gap in finding a solution than help find a solution.

Maybe. However I do not think any solution any group can come up with is going to provide a "level playing field". It just does not exist. No matter what the outcome, there are always going to be differences between teams. Grass, sport-turf, field-turf, dirt, small gyms, big gyms, student cheering sections, monetary contributions to the program, talent, coaching, number of coaches, time, effort, commitment, parental involvement, booster involvement, community involvement, numerical differences, weight rooms, concrete running tracks, rubberized track surfaces, not having a home field, not having a junior varsity program, not having a freshman program, not having a middle school program, training equipment, access to club opportunities outside of the high school season, etc., etc. etc.

 

Gunner you are right and also I might add population in that community also there are so many factors to it that their really isn't a black or white solution and never will be. The bigger metro areas really will always have an advantage because of population, and I am OK with that as long as everyone plays by the rules. Which in all honesty will never happen because we are all human and someone is going to break some rule all the time.

Maybe. However I do not think any solution any group can come up with is going to provide a "level playing field". It just does not exist. No matter what the outcome, there are always going to be differences between teams. Grass, sport-turf, field-turf, dirt, small gyms, big gyms, student cheering sections, monetary contributions to the program, talent, coaching, number of coaches, time, effort, commitment, parental involvement, booster involvement, community involvement, numerical differences, weight rooms, concrete running tracks, rubberized track surfaces, not having a home field, not having a junior varsity program, not having a freshman program, not having a middle school program, training equipment, access to club opportunities outside of the high school season, etc., etc. etc.

 

I agree and we are back to the argument that the question is not the level playing field but how far it is titled. 177 superintendents think it is tilted to far, like the 45 degree analogy.

 

This is not much different than back when the public school funding issue was declared unconstitutional because the funding was too heavily tilted towards a few schools.

I think this is just stupid. Every public school wants to have the chance to knock off a Lexington Catholic type school.

I think this is just stupid. Every public school wants to have the chance to knock off a Lexington Catholic type school.

 

Depending on the sport, can they not do that by playing a public school?

Once again, a "stand" by public school representatives is seen as heroic and brave. It's really sickening. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by such a "refrain from playing private schools" policy. I love how they stop short of completely refraining, if it affects their chances of post-season play. If they believe so strongly that private schools are the sole obstacle to their schools' achieving success, have the intestinal fortitude to sacrifice post-season play to make the point. As it stands, public schools are to refrain from playing private schools if it's seen as a detriment. There's nothing to stop the public schools from padding their schedules with the weaker private schools. There are no retributive provisions for schools who choose to do so.

 

While the above is seen as heroic and brave, the Private school representatives who've proposed changes within the KHSAA organization that would allow them to have more teeth have been ignored. Not derided, not lauded, but absolutely no consideration of their proposal by the public side at all.

 

You want change? You think that something's unfair? Then make your stand. Apparently this issue is as big an issue for public school's as civil rights were. Many of those fighting for civil rights lost their jobs, their homes, even their lives. You want a level playing field? You believe so much that the private schools stand in your way? Then man up and sacrifice a season or two. Maybe things will change.

If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

 

 

Oh wait that's exactly what they are doing.

 

Cowards.

 

 

Very wide brush being applied. Make sure that standard is applied across the whole deck.

I would hope that those on the other side can see that 174...ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FOUR....superintendents signed this thing. So either 174 educational leaders are cowards and hypocrits and have no clue on what they are doing or maybe, just maybe, there is something to it.

 

Did I miss another report with more detailed information? According to the article linked KASS represents 174 schools but no where did it say 174 supers signed anything. The article even states the super of the biggest district in the state is not going to honor the reduction.

 

Why all the cloak and dagger garbage? I think supers should each put his/her stance in writing and then publish the list of where everyone stands.

Staying out of the public schools and paying for your athletes. And do not say it hasn't happened either. For the most part Public schools play by the rules they take the kids that live in their district.

 

For the most part Private schools give tuition to the kids that can jump run fast or shoot the 30 foot jump shot.

 

Tell me the last time a private school gave financial aid to the poor kid that wanted to go there but was a little troubled and had no clue what sports were?

 

NEVER!!! Because it would make the school look bad. And you call yourself a religious school with morals.

 

You very obviously do not know what you're talking about-we can't address it here for the same reasons the names of public school kids getting free books, fees and breakfast/lunch can't be divulged. Rest assured, there are many, many "poor kids" who GO to the private school, do not participate in sports activities, and receive financial assistance (determined by a process considerably more objective and reliable than bringing home a sheet of paper for Mom or Dad to sign). And guess what else: the assistance provided is not your Mom/Dad's tax money.

Very wide brush being applied. Make sure that standard is applied across the whole deck.

 

I have an idea for 6A. Didin't they used to have an at-large state champion and then the winner played the best Louisville team for the state title? Why don't they go back to that? Every year everyone in 6A is playing for one spot and you have Trinity and St X play during the playoffs and the winner of that game plays the winner of all the rest in 6A. Do you think that would help smooth over some of the issues?

 

I think that would be good because the way it is right now except this year Trinity and ST X is heads above everyone else in 6A and really should be they are in the biggest city in the state which means a bigger pot to choose from where most other 6A schools are getting kids from a cup of soup T and X are getting kids from the whole pot of soup so to speak.

 

Our 6A schools here can't beat our 5A and 3A school on a regular basis, why I don't know they have more students to choose from. I just really don't have an answer but I just wante to throw that out to see what people thought. If this needs to be somewhere else can someone create a new thread or whatever needs to be done.

 

THANKS

Ohio and Indiana both have schools that hold the same number of boys as the largest private schools in the state. This does not happen in Kentucky. There are many more private high schools in each major city located in these states. For instance, Cincinatti has nine catholic schools playing football in the same population area that Louisville has two. Also, their Dioces(sp) do not allow students to attend from across the river. Therefore, this is a very poor comparison.

 

I disagree on both counts.

 

Kentucky had public schools at one time with male populations on par with both Trinity and St. X, I know, I graduated from one. They chose to cap enrollments and build new schools in some areas while in other areas of the state enrollment declined at public schools. You can't expect the private schools to limt themselves just because the public schools chose to do so.

 

Louisville has 4 Catholic high schools for boys, not 2 and as I recall Cincinnati is a larger city (population) then Louisville.

You very obviously do not know what you're talking about-we can't address it here for the same reasons the names of public school kids getting free books, fees and breakfast/lunch can't be divulged. Rest assured, there are many, many "poor kids" who GO to the private school, do not participate in sports activities, and receive financial assistance (determined by a process considerably more objective and reliable than bringing home a sheet of paper for Mom or Dad to sign). And guess what else: the assistance provided is not your Mom/Dad's tax money.

 

Read all of my other posts before you reply to one. I said not every private school is like this but the ones that are have given all the privates a bad rep. I did not say anything about tax money either.

 

I know it is from all the catholic churches and whoever else contributes to the school. Isn't that how colleges work as well except the state colleges that get state funding?

I have an idea for 6A. Didin't they used to have an at-large state champion and then the winner played the best Louisville team for the state title? Why don't they go back to that? Every year everyone in 6A is playing for one spot and you have Trinity and St X play during the playoffs and the winner of that game plays the winner of all the rest in 6A. Do you think that would help smooth over some of the issues?

 

I think that would be good because the way it is right now except this year Trinity and ST X is heads above everyone else in 6A and really should be they are in the biggest city in the state which means a bigger pot to choose from where most other 6A schools are getting kids from a cup of soup T and X are getting kids from the whole pot of soup so to speak.

 

Our 6A schools here can't beat our 5A and 3A school on a regular basis, why I don't know they have more students to choose from. I just really don't have an answer but I just wante to throw that out to see what people thought. If this needs to be somewhere else can someone create a new thread or whatever needs to be done.

 

THANKS

 

Yes, there used to be a state at large champion that squared off against the Jefferson County champs but the public schools complained about that one too because it guaranteed a Louisville school would be in the finals.

 

This is the same old, tired issue and that issue is the large public schools in KY severely underachieve in football for many reasons. Therefore, in typical government (schools in this case) fashion, the schools are doing whatever they can to get rid of the competition they can't beat.

Cowards? I think it is hilarious to listen to people like you panic......

 

How am I panicing?

 

If by panicing you mean not agreeing with the cowardly and hypocritical actions of public schools administrators then I guess I plead guilty.

Very wide brush being applied. Make sure that standard is applied across the whole deck.

 

No wider then the ones that accuse all private schools of breaking the rules.