I think that question does deserve to be looked at, but Boyle Co. would show that, at least in Football, you don't need Open Enrollment to be sucessfull. I would be willing to bet that St. X and Trinity, due to numbers, would be sucessful no matter open/closed enrollemnt. And I must admit, I don't know everything about NKY, but isn't Highlands an Open Enrollment school located in an area with other open enrollment schools(not just neccessarily in Campbell Co.) that are not very sucessful?

 

You guys keep just focusing on football and trying to put football solutions to it.

 

Boyle and Highlands with football are divided by class and that does nothing to address the other sports.

You guys keep just focusing on football and trying to put football solutions to it.

 

Boyle and Highlands with football are divided by class and that does nothing to address the other sports.

I admit I'm biased.

 

I am begining to wonder if this issue may need to be dealt with more on a sport by sport basis to be effective, since it is obvious that the differences on administration from sport to sport are so profound.

I think that question does deserve to be looked at, but Boyle Co. would show that, at least in Football, you don't need Open Enrollment to be sucessfull. I would be willing to bet that St. X and Trinity, due to numbers, would be sucessful no matter open/closed enrollemnt. And I must admit, I don't know everything about NKY, but isn't Highlands an Open Enrollment school located in an area with other open enrollment schools(not just neccessarily in Campbell Co.) that are not very sucessful?

 

The only exception that you can come up with is a school that had a great six year run. That is not the HISTORY of our state. What are the open enrollment schools you are refering to? St X and Trinity have their numbers due to not having to take students from only one area. Once again I will ask, name the programs in the history of our state that have been ultimately sucessful that have had to take only students that live in their district.

Listen to what I am saying. Yes, some girls sports are being dominated by private schools as well. That is obvious. Now, what I am simply saying is that the big issue that has people upset more than anything is in football. And there is people upset with LCA and Lexington Catholic, but I think its a mix between football and basktball. But IMO the big issue is football.

As far as Lexington Catholic is concerned, it was about basketball long before it was about football ...

You guys keep just focusing on football and trying to put football solutions to it.

 

Boyle and Highlands with football are divided by class and that does nothing to address the other sports.

 

 

LBBC, take into account the emphasis put on girls sports in Catholic grade schools. If you have girls beginning to play organized golf, volleyball and basketball for their school teams starting in 3rd grade, of course they're going to be way ahead of girls who don't start until 6th grade. There are many reasons why certain certain schools' have success in specific sports. Discounting or ignoring the level of experience in each at which their students arrive to the school is not acknowledging the whole set of circumstances.

The only exception that you can come up with is a school that had a great six year run. That is not the HISTORY of our state. What are the open enrollment schools you are refering to? St X and Trinity have their numbers due to not having to take students from only one area. Once again I will ask, name the programs in the history of our state that have been ultimately sucessful that have had to take only students that live in their district.

 

Sorry LBBC, more football:

 

My injection of Boyle Co shows to me that Chuck Smith did the things neccessary that IMO not enough schools are doing. I wasn't really worried about the total history posting that.

 

St. X and Trinity- I don't know how many students live outside Jefferson Co(which is all open enrollment). I do know more students go from Catholic grade schools to Public High Schools, than vice versa in Louisville, so I would assume that if these teams only took students from Jefferson Co, as every other High School there can, the numbers at those two schools would not be different. I belive that thier sucess stems partially from the numbers at the school. Thier head coach Mike Glaser posted (in response to a similar question) on the Coaches List serve a few years ago, the breakdown of all student athletes on KHSAA sports for a particular semester. If I remember, fewer than 15 total student athletes in the entire school were from outside of Jefferson Co. Are the numbers accurate; I don't know?

 

Isn't Kenton Co. open enrollment? If that school district is, why don't we have more sucess from there?

 

I'll admit, to give you an answer to the history of the state, I'd have to look back.

Girls basketball coaches have been talking about this issue for going on 10 years.

 

Funny, 10 years ago, girls basketball was dominated by public schools. So you're saying that as soon SHA and LCA stopped getting beat you decided there was an issue. Prior to that, it was okay for Mercy or SHA to win once a decade?

The only exception that you can come up with is a school that had a great six year run. That is not the HISTORY of our state. What are the open enrollment schools you are refering to? St X and Trinity have their numbers due to not having to take students from only one area. Once again I will ask, name the programs in the history of our state that have been ultimately sucessful that have had to take only students that live in their district.

 

Wait a minute, you've only pointed out one private school that has recently been established to try to justify your point. What the heck is the difference? As has been pointed out, Lex Cath has been around a pretty long time. That leaves LCA. One school. That likewise is not history and likewise is not a compelling argument that private schools have some unfair advantage that enables them to be superior in girls sports over the public schools.

 

As to the bolded part, what percentage of the students at X and T reside outside of Jefferson County?

Sorry LBBC, more football:

 

My injection of Boyle Co shows to me that Chuck Smith did the things neccessary that IMO not enough schools are doing. I wasn't really worried about the total history posting that.

 

St. X and Trinity- I don't know how many students live outside Jefferson Co(which is all open enrollment). I do know more students go from Catholic grade schools to Public High Schools, than vice versa in Louisville, so I would assume that if these teams only took students from Jefferson Co, as every other High School there can, the numbers at those two schools would not be different. I belive that thier sucess stems partially from the numbers at the school. Thier head coach Mike Glaser posted (in response to a similar question) on the Coaches List serve a few years ago, the breakdown of all student athletes on KHSAA sports for a particular semester. If I remember, fewer than 15 total student athletes in the entire school were from outside of Jefferson Co. Are the numbers accurate; I don't know?

 

Isn't Kenton Co. open enrollment? If that school district is, why don't we have more sucess from there?

 

I'll admit, to give you an answer to the history of the state, I'd have to look back.

 

Kenton county schools are open enrollment within county, which means you must live in the county to attend one of them. They do not accept tuition students. You will also notice that this open enrollment has left one of the programs far more sucessful than the other two.

Funny, 10 years ago, girls basketball was dominated by public schools. So you're saying that as soon SHA and LCA stopped getting beat you decided there was an issue. Prior to that, it was okay for Mercy or SHA to win once a decade?

Well, when you factor in the small number of private schools ... then yeah, probably.

Wait a minute, you've only pointed out one private school that has recently been established to try to justify your point. What the heck is the difference? As has been pointed out, Lex Cath has been around a pretty long time. That leaves LCA. One school. That likewise is not history and likewise is not a compelling argument that private schools have some unfair advantage that enables them to be superior in girls sports over the public schools.

 

As to the bolded part, what percentage of the students at X and T reside outside of Jefferson County?

 

You have missed my point completely. The schools who are good year in and year out in this state almost exclusively have some open enrollment advantage. Please dispute this statement. Also it isn't always the numbers of students from out of an area, but who the students are. How many prime time players has Highlands had in the last twelve years that have not grown up Ft. Thomas residents?

Are you saying this descision is unethical by the public schools? Its not against the rules. So if it is not against the rules, it must not be unethical. At least, that is the feeling that I have recieved from many posters on here in the past. On another subject, what do you mean by choosing to set the bar higher?

 

I never said unethical. IMVHO this decision doesn't serve the needs of all the students of Kentucky.

 

Setting the bar higher means instead of making excuses about why that can't compete they should srtive to bring themselves to the level where they can compete.

Than accept the sphere of influence proposel that was rejected by the private schools. That would limit the area of recruitment for those schools and make the compitition more level. And THEN, we could work on setting the bar together.......

 

How about the public schools accept the rigorous enforcement of recruiting rules that was put forth by the private schools. That would make sure that everyone was operating on the level.

Once again I will ask, name the programs in the history of our state that have been ultimately sucessful that have had to take only students that live in their district.

 

PT has dominated track, South Oldham girls soccer won 6 of 7 titles during one run, of the 16 teams that have won multiple boys basketball championships, only one is private and 7 have open enrollment (the top two winners have 6 titles each and are closed enrollment), Daviess County has been the power in AAA XC for the last 18 years, all the teams that have won more than 2 wrestling titles (38 titles among 5 teams) are closed enrollment (Woodford having 13 of those titles), Glasgow ripped off four straight titles from '97-'00 in girls golf and the last five titles have been taken by schools with closed enrollments.

You have missed my point completely. The schools who are good year in and year out in this state almost exclusively have some open enrollment advantage. Please dispute this statement.

I will dispute it in this sense ... any school system that doesn't have open enrollment has chosen, on its own, to operate in that fashion.