I think he also means wealthy public schools AND private schools.

 

I understand that, but many posters on here pointed out that private schools are NOT filled with wealthy people. They even seemed to be offended at the thought that private schools are filled with wealthy people.

 

So, from the beginning of the thread to this point has confused me.

 

I feel LN makes some really good points on this topic and when he says that this point has legs, I take that seriously.

 

But I also respect RM's view tremendously and she indicated and I believe it that private schools are not filled with wealthy people.

 

So, now I am honestly confused.

 

I would lean towards LN's view as I too think it has merit. But do believe RM and why I asked earlier how big of a % is the parents who struggle to meet their tuition payments at a typical private school.

 

I know that the perception of private schools, Beechwood, Highlands is that probably 80% to 90% of the families make over $100,000 a year.

I understand that, but many posters on here pointed out that private schools are NOT filled with wealthy people. They even seemed to be offended at the thought that private schools are filled with wealthy people.

 

So, from the beginning of the thread to this point has confused me.

 

I feel LN makes some really good points on this topic and when he says that this point has legs, I take that seriously.

 

But I also respect RM's view tremendously and she indicated and I believe it that private schools are not filled with wealthy people.

 

So, now I am honestly confused.

 

I would lean towards LN's view as I too think it has merit. But do believe RM and why I asked earlier how big of a % is the parents who struggle to meet their tuition payments at a typical private school.

 

I know that the perception of private schools, Beechwood, Highlands is that probably 80% to 90% of the families make over $100,000 a year.

 

The school might be welathy on account of a few weathy donors, but that doesn't mean that the populace as a whole is wealthy.

 

Trinity was the favorite donation spot for a wealthy real estate man by the name of R. W. Marshall who never attended Trinity and was largely responsible for the new athletic facilities that Trinity has.

 

DeSales in Louisville is most assuredly not a school of wealthy kids, some might be but most aren't. They too have a weathy benefactor or two, whose names I do not know, but I have known many DeSales families who have talked about these individuals.

I understand that, but many posters on here pointed out that private schools are NOT filled with wealthy people. They even seemed to be offended at the thought that private schools are filled with wealthy people.

 

So, from the beginning of the thread to this point has confused me.

 

I feel LN makes some really good points on this topic and when he says that this point has legs, I take that seriously.

 

But I also respect RM's view tremendously and she indicated and I believe it that private schools are not filled with wealthy people.

 

So, now I am honestly confused.

 

I would lean towards LN's view as I too think it has merit. But do believe RM and why I asked earlier how big of a % is the parents who struggle to meet their tuition payments at a typical private school.

 

I know that the perception of private schools, Beechwood, Highlands is that probably 80% to 90% of the families make over $100,000 a year.

 

Painting with a very broad brush. While all private school familes are not wealthy, obviously there is a good chunk that are. Then there are people who just work their butt off to make sure their kids have the best of everything.

 

So maybe it has nothing to do with Private/Public or Open/Closed or even Wealthy / Poor. Maybe the real divide is between people who are very intentional about the develpment, experiences, opportunities, and training of their children, vs. those who either don't put a priority on it or simply put these decisons on auto pilot and defer to others.

The school might be welathy on account of a few weathy donors, but that doesn't mean that the populace as a whole is wealthy.

 

Trinity was the favorite donation spot for a wealthy real estate man by the name of R. W. Marshall who never attended Trinity and was largely responsible for the new athletic facilities that Trinity has.

 

DeSales in Louisville is most assuredly not a school of wealthy kids, some might be but most aren't. They too have a weathy benefactor or two, whose names I do not know, but I have known many DeSales families who have talked about these individuals.

 

Okay, now I am seeing what you are talking about.

 

I have mentioned that in debates with LN about the football field at Highlands and the donations they got for the turf. We would almost NEVER be able to raise those funds if we stayed with just Pendleton County people. Latest census had us with a whopping ONE person who made over $1 mil a year.

Painting with a very broad brush. While all private school familes are not wealthy, obviously there is a good chunk that are. Then there are people who just work their butt off to make sure their kids have the best of everything.

 

So maybe it has nothing to do with Private/Public or Open/Closed or even Wealthy / Poor. Maybe the real divide is between people who are very intentional about the develpment, experiences, opportunities, and training of their children, vs. those who either don't put a priority on it or simply put these decisons on auto pilot and defer to others.

 

Are you trying to say that since my child is enrolled in a public school, I don't have an intentional development, experiences, opportunities or training of my children?

 

That is the very arrogance that gets private schools painted as they are.

 

I will put my expectations of my children up against any one on here. Even if they are "riff raff" public school students.

Are you trying to say that since my child is enrolled in a public school, I don't have an intentional development, experiences, opportunities or training of my children?

 

That is the very arrogance that gets private schools painted as they are.

 

I will put my expectations of my children up against any one on here. Even if they are "riff raff" public school students.

 

Who said anything about Public and Private? Actually I made a point of saying it wasn't about Public and Private. I said maybe it is about parents who will go to great lengths (in todays world of youth sports maybe even rediculous lengths) for their children versus those who are not that intentional. I have no idea what you do or don't do with your children, but don't be so quick to be offended and think it through.

 

Communities (public or private) that place a high value on a sport, an extra cirricular, or a competition, are usually the best.

 

If a community gets behind a specific sport and they:

 

- Build a feeder system

- Provide opportunities for more and better training for both athletes and youth coaches.

- Cast their net wide and develop lots of young athletes.

- Put their money and resources into that sport

- Provide adequate facilities

- Make it a priority

- But most of all just reall CARE to a high level

 

They will be a top performer.

 

Obviously individual sports are different, but the above seems to be true for team sports.

 

So maybe therein lies the real divide.

Who said anything about Public and Private? Actually I made a point of saying it wasn't about Public and Private. I said maybe it is about parents who will go to great lengths (in todays world of youth sports maybe even rediculous lengths) for their children versus those who are not that intentional. I have no idea what you do or don't do with your children, but don't be so quick to be offended and think it through.

 

Communities (public or private) that place a high value on a sport, an extra cirricular, or a competition, are usually the best.

 

If a community gets behind a specific sport and they:

 

- Build a feeder system

- Provide opportunities for more and better training for both athletes and youth coaches.

- Cast their net wide and develop lots of young athletes.

- Put their money and resources into that sport

- Provide adequate facilities

- Make it a priority

- But most of all just reall CARE to a high level

 

They will be a top performer.

 

Obviously individual sports are different, but the above seems to be true for team sports.

 

So maybe therein lies the real divide.

 

I apologize if I misread the tone of your post.

 

I thought we were on our way back to that mindset that private schools and their parents outwork and are more committed than public schools.

I think what everyone is really arguing about it rural schools versus urban schools. I know several rural schools with open enrollment but do not benefit as much as schools in an urban environment would. Raceland has open enrollment and benefits from it, but not on the scale of it could do if in an urban setting.

 

Contrary, a school with out open enrollment in an urban setting would be limiting it's self more then a school without open enrollment in a rural setting.

 

What some people seem to be upset about is that some schools have more population to draw their talent from. You will have a greater population in an urban setting then in a rural area. Simple fact.

As far as Lexington Catholic is concerned, it was about basketball long before it was about football ...

 

I agree, but football is also an issue now with them. Also, with LCA I believe its more about football. I don't see a bunch of top-notch athletes on the basketball team at LCA.

I think what everyone is really arguing about it rural schools versus urban schools. I know several rural schools with open enrollment but do not benefit as much as schools in an urban environment would. Raceland has open enrollment and benefits from it, but not on the scale of it could do if in an urban setting.

 

Contrary, a school with out open enrollment in an urban setting would be limiting it's self more then a school without open enrollment in a rural setting.

 

What some people seem to be upset about is that some schools have more population to draw their talent from. You will have a greater population in an urban setting then in a rural area. Simple fact.

 

I said that in another post on another thread:thumb:

Okay, now I am seeing what you are talking about.

 

I have mentioned that in debates with LN about the football field at Highlands and the donations they got for the turf. We would almost NEVER be able to raise those funds if we stayed with just Pendleton County people. Latest census had us with a whopping ONE person who made over $1 mil a year.

 

I'm not so sure about that LBBC. Something that you and others need to keep in mind is that almost all of the money donated for the field in Ft. Thomas came from businesses in the area (yes, Cris' connections got us a discounted price on the field that I assume most schools could not get). The City, the Boosters, the Lions Club and the Jr. Football League made the pledges necessary for a large loan that had to be taken out to make up the difference in the cost of the field and the amount donated. I'm not as familiar with Pendleton County as you probably are, but I do know there are a decent amount of very wealthy people and businesses in Pendleton County. The issue is: does the school show enough committment to football and is there enough of a program, for those wealthy people and businesses to "invest" their money in a field? Is there a strong enough Boosters program to be able to raise the money? Can the county govt be convinced there is enough benefit to the county to justify making a pledge? Are there youth leagues that will be able to benefit from the field to make a pledge doable? I may be wrong, but I believe there are other rural communities that have found a way to have artificial turf installed.

 

The reason I said money contention may have legs is more from the ability of kids to afford personal trainers during the off season; is more from the ability of kids to be able to afford not to have to work during the summer and thus be able to work out all summer; and is more from the ability of kids to attend the skill camps and seminars that make them better players. I'm not saying that is the sole reason for some programs having more success than others, but in my opinion, its more of a determining factor than open vs closed enrollment.

Don't forget if I donated lets say 200K to the Male football program for new locker rooms, (I've seen them and its not enough) the money is divided also for the girls Field Hockey/Volleyball etc. Look at the fields for X/Rocks and look at Seneca/PRP/Manual. Now y'all will say look at Male, the JCS told Male if they will move to the Preston Street location they will help with the complex. Male didn't want to leave.

 

No comparison to the complexes Privates/Publics.

I love that Male, a school that has long had the best overall facilities in the county is complaining because Trinity finally decided to put something other than sand underneath their football field (but you fail to mention that they don't have a track or a baseball field) and St. X finally built a home field (since they've been renting forever). If anyone should be complaining, it should be the Athertons and Senecas of the world who have been more or less neglected by JCPS while Male was the crown jewel of JCPS.

Kenton county schools are open enrollment within county, which means you must live in the county to attend one of them. They do not accept tuition students. You will also notice that this open enrollment has left one of the programs far more sucessful than the other two.

 

 

Which one? becuase I would be willing to bet the one you think it is is not the most successful athletic program across the board in Kenton County.

Don't forget if I donated lets say 200K to the Male football program for new locker rooms, (I've seen them and its not enough) the money is divided also for the girls Field Hockey/Volleyball etc. Look at the fields for X/Rocks and look at Seneca/PRP/Manual. Now y'all will say look at Male, the JCS told Male if they will move to the Preston Street location they will help with the complex. Male didn't want to leave.

 

No comparison to the complexes Privates/Publics.

 

Hey if we are going to compare cruddy locker rooms and weight rooms, I'll compare Highlands with anyone's. They are the absolute pits. Then again, a locker room never scored a touchdown and the fanciness of a weight room never made a kid stronger. If a kid is committed to lifting and getting stronger, he'll lift in a sewer if that's what it takes.

 

And I can't believe I'm still posting in this thread. Very few minds are ever going to be changed no matter what is posted in here.