Kenton county schools are open enrollment within county, which means you must live in the county to attend one of them. They do not accept tuition students. You will also notice that this open enrollment has left one of the programs far more sucessful than the other two.

 

 

Are you sure about this?

I will dispute it in this sense ... any school system that doesn't have open enrollment has chosen, on its own, to operate in that fashion.

True and Amen.

How about the public schools accept the rigorous enforcement of recruiting rules that was put forth by the private schools. That would make sure that everyone was operating on the level.

 

The only problem with that is that it is not feasible to enforce the recruiting going on. Let's say our children play AAU basketball together and have their whole life. I try to talk you into enrolling your child in Private School A that my child is going to. That is the vast majority of the recruiting that is going on. How are you going to enforce that situation?

 

And open enrollment does not mean that illegal recruiting is going on.

I will dispute it in this sense ... any school system that doesn't have open enrollment has chosen, on its own, to operate in that fashion.

 

We have had that discussion on here before and while that may be true in the urban setting, open enrollment can have extremely LITTLE effect on the rural schools.

 

Would you say that those schools in Jefferson County have a bigger advantage in having open enrollment (as they can draw from Jefferson County and all surrounding counties and Indiana) compared to a Bracken County that if you add the populations of it and it's surrounding counties, you probably have less than 100,000 people total in Bracken, Pendleton, Robertson, Mason, and Harrison? (Does it even border Harrison?)

What's to enforce.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again if the public schools would do something to make themselves more attractive at ALL students then they could counter that kind of talk among parents.

 

I would even support SEVERE limitations of how many people from one high school team could play together on an AAU tem as well as completely outlawing high school coaches from coaching AAU teams. That would go a long way to solving the problem you see and IMVHO would help make the kids better athletes because they get coaching from diifferent points of view and systems rather the being taught one system.

We have had that discussion on here before and while that may be true in the urban setting, open enrollment can have extremely LITTLE effect on the rural schools.

 

Would you say that those schools in Jefferson County have a bigger advantage in having open enrollment (as they can draw from Jefferson County and all surrounding counties and Indiana) compared to a Bracken County that if you add the populations of it and it's surrounding counties, you probably have less than 100,000 people total in Bracken, Pendleton, Robertson, Mason, and Harrison? (Does it even border Harrison?)

 

To answer you're last question,yes it does.:thumb:

We have had that discussion on here before and while that may be true in the urban setting, open enrollment can have extremely LITTLE effect on the rural schools.

No argument there. But simply pointing to "open enrollment" as a school's sole advantage over others isn't very accurate.

What's to enforce.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again if the public schools would do something to make themselves more attractive at ALL students then they could counter that kind of talk among parents.

 

I would even support SEVERE limitations of how many people from one high school team could play together on an AAU tem as well as completely outlawing high school coaches from coaching AAU teams. That would go a long way to solving the problem you see and IMVHO would help make the kids better athletes because they get coaching from diifferent points of view and systems rather the being taught one system.

 

For rural counties, you have just killed AAU programs for them with your last paragraph.

 

The ONLY time a HS coach can coach their players on an AAU team would be in the summer. They are not allowed in the fall, winter or spring to coach their players on an AAU team.

 

So, you tell us to work harder and get better and then just suggested a program that prevents us from doing that.

 

I do find it ironic that you are calling public schools out for making themselves more attractive to ALL students when private schools don't even educate themselves ALL students.

 

You have a discipline problem, you have the option to kick them out and send them on their way to the public schools to handle. And that is a FACT as I have ended up with several students that have been dismissed from Bishop Brossart.

 

Public Schools cannot permanently expel students and wash their hands of the responsibility of educating them.

No argument there. But simply pointing to "open enrollment" as a school's sole advantage over others isn't very accurate.

 

How? Open enrollment by urban schools is a DISTINCT and HUGE advantage that they have over rural schools.

 

And I would like to point out that 94 Camel and I are addressing the open enrollment issue and not laying this at the feet of the private schools. I think that is a red herring that is not addressing the problem in this state.

Public Schools cannot permanently expel students and wash their hands of the responsibility of educating them.

 

Not true in Jefferson Co.

 

Also, while Jeff Co. has a much larger population to pull from with open enrollment, what you fail to take into account is that there are also a far higher number of schools competing for those kids. The more accurate way to compare (to make it more apples to apples) is to find the schools to population ratio (and to make it even stronger, a schools/total students). I'm not sure how the numbers would look if you did it that way, but it would take into account the additional options that students have in more urban counties if all were to go to open enrollment.

For rural counties, you have just killed AAU programs for them with your last paragraph.

 

The ONLY time a HS coach can coach their players on an AAU team would be in the summer. They are not allowed in the fall, winter or spring to coach their players on an AAU team.

 

So, you tell us to work harder and get better and then just suggested a program that prevents us from doing that.

 

I do find it ironic that you are calling public schools out for making themselves more attractive to ALL students when private schools don't even educate themselves ALL students.

 

You have a discipline problem, you have the option to kick them out and send them on their way to the public schools to handle. And that is a FACT as I have ended up with several students that have been dismissed from Bishop Brossart.

 

Public Schools cannot permanently expel students and wash their hands of the responsibility of educating them.

 

People always bring up the point about Private schools being able to expel students....what the heck does that have to do with sports success anyway? I would assume that any student, in a public or private school, who's behavior had reached the point of expelling them from school, would not be on any team anyway. So, how is that any sort of valid excuse?

How? Open enrollment by urban schools is a DISTINCT and HUGE advantage that they have over rural schools.

I didn't say it wasn't an advantage. I simply said it wasn't the sole advantage.

For rural counties, you have just killed AAU programs for them with your last paragraph.

 

The ONLY time a HS coach can coach their players on an AAU team would be in the summer. They are not allowed in the fall, winter or spring to coach their players on an AAU team.

 

So, you tell us to work harder and get better and then just suggested a program that prevents us from doing that.

 

I do find it ironic that you are calling public schools out for making themselves more attractive to ALL students when private schools don't even educate themselves ALL students.

 

You have a discipline problem, you have the option to kick them out and send them on their way to the public schools to handle. And that is a FACT as I have ended up with several students that have been dismissed from Bishop Brossart.

 

Public Schools cannot permanently expel students and wash their hands of the responsibility of educating them.

 

Maybe, just maybe basketball players would get better if they were given the option of playing for other coaches where they would learn the game rather then just learning a system.

 

How is it ironic that I say public schools should strive to make parents WANT to send their kids there rather then sending them there because they have to? It has nothing at all to do with discipline issues it has to do with making the school as a whole attractive enough that there is a demand to get in. I would venture to guess that if Highlands didn't have the athletic program that it has parents would still want to send their kids to school there because it is a good school. I know that there are other public schools around the state like that, even ones with closed enrollment.

Not true in Jefferson Co.

 

Also, while Jeff Co. has a much larger population to pull from with open enrollment, what you fail to take into account is that there are also a far higher number of schools competing for those kids. The more accurate way to compare (to make it more apples to apples) is to find the schools to population ratio (and to make it even stronger, a schools/total students). I'm not sure how the numbers would look if you did it that way, but it would take into account the additional options that students have in more urban counties if all were to go to open enrollment.

 

Probably not true since there is multiple HS's and they could choose another HS. But I would be willing to bet that Jefferson County Public School District as a whole is still responsible for educating that child. I would bet they have some sort of alternative program or HS that educates those children.

 

On your last point, I don't think it is. There are inner city schools that are not going to be considered for attending because of their reputations of the community they are situated in. I guess, though, that would be the school district's fault for putting a school in that community.:sssh:

You're correct, there is an alternative HS that takes the cast offs from the other high schools, but the end result is the same, the problematic student is out of the picture at that school, just as (s)he is at a private school.

 

Not sure if you paid attention to football (since I know it's not your main focus), but one of those "inner city schools" won a state championship this year and is looking like the front runner for one next year. Additionally, another "inner city school" is widely regarded as one of the best academic schools in the state and has competed favorably for several state championships in recent years. And just because you may not consider them a viable option, doesn't mean that John Smith who runs a 4.2 benches 430 and jumps over buildings doesn't think it's a viable option. He may live two blocks away. Sure it helps your argument, but realistically, you can't discount any of the options when calculating the ratio of schools/population in a given area.