You know full well and good that Bush attending one campaign stop is completely different than if Bush...had asked Jones to marry him...

Now that would be disturbing! :eek:

See this type of post is really irritating to me as it is just a bunch of spin bull. You know full well and good that Bush attending one campaign stop is completely different than if Bush had attended Bob Jones' church for a long time, had asked Jones to marry him, had asked Jones to baptize Bush's children and said that Jones was Bush's spiritual advisor. If you can't see that difference, then that speaks as much about you as Sen. Obama's decisions speak about him.

 

And on the Bush smear of McCain, heck yes it bothered me. I voted for McCain in the primary, not Bush, in part because of that. I have a feeling however that Sen. Obama's poor choices in re Wright aren't going to affect your support of him one iota however. Am I wrong?

 

 

I think we're alike in that we're willing to look past "warts" on candidates if our most important policy objectives are met by that candidate. I'm not entirely sold on Obama vs McCain. The only real stumbling block I have with McCain is his Iraq position, but it is a big one for me. It sounds like you greatly disapproved of Bush's treatment of McCain in 2000, as I did. But as hypocritical as it was for Bush to call himself a compassionate conservative and then literally spread vicious lies about his opponent, it evidently wasn't enough of a character flaw to cause either you or I to vote against him.

 

So let's both be honest here and admit that all of this feigned shock and disgust about Obama among the far-right crowd is just that. These folks wouldn't vote for Obama in the general election if McCain sold nuclear secrets to Iran.

 

As far as your question for me ("I have a feeling however that Sen. Obama's poor choices in re Wright aren't going to affect your support of him one iota however. Am I wrong?"), I will weigh this as I consider who to vote for, but it won't be in the top 10 factors affecting my decision.

IF he was there as is being reported. Listen to the rant of his so called preacher.

 

If I attended a sermon like that and did not distance myself from the church, I would be a racist in the eyes of everyone.

 

 

My whole problem with this deal is if every time the word black was used it was replaced with white it would resemble a KKK speech.

 

The double standard for racism is a pet-peeve of mine and this is it on the ultimate stage.

 

While I'm not prepared to call Obama a racist, this post is pretty much dead on.

Rev. Wright's comments were offensive and in the eyes of some anti-american (whatever that means) but I have yet to find anything he says that is flat out racist. If he was racist there wouldn't be any white members of his church and the ministry of the church would be exclusively African-American. He is a controversial figure but I don't see anything that is flat out racist.

 

This comes from the churches website . . . unless I am missing something here there entire membership is black and they only promote a black agenda. That sounds pretty racist to me.

 

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

Only if the Boy Scouts are sexist because they only serve young men and their interests.

Now that would be disturbing! :eek:

 

You got me there my friend. Sloppy writing by me. Good catch.:thumb:

Obama said this during an ABC News interview

 

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."

 

 

Double standard?

 

 

DEFINITELY

This comes from the churches website . . . unless I am missing something here there entire membership is black and they only promote a black agenda. That sounds pretty racist to me.

 

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

 

Someone forgot to tell this white lady she could go to church there and Rev. Wright has stated in his sermons that he has white people in the ongregation.

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None of those things you bolded are racists in and of themselves and if you find it racist I think you really need to look at your own attitudes.

Please! You take a few instances out of at least 1000 sermons the man must have delivered and decide he's a racist. You have no idea what the bulk of his sermons were that were delivered. You have no idea what charitable programs he may have begun, or organizations he may have supported. You have no desire to look beyond a columnists' opinion and a few videos circulated via the internet. Have you tried to find out any more about the man? I'm pretty sure your answer is going to be "I don't need to".

 

Any person who is discriminatory is a person who refuses to educate themselves on the full value of another human being and accept the differences. Whether that discrimination is based on race, gender, religion or political views, it's a bias.

Well gee RM, here are some quotes from just the one "sermon".

Sounds kind of racist to me.

 

“We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body.”

“We put Nelson Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

 

We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-semitic.”

 

We do not care if poor black and brown children cannot read and kill each other senselessly. We abandoned the cities back in the '60s when the riots started and it really doesn’t matter what those nations do to each other; we gave up on them and public education of poor people who live in the projects . . .”

 

We started the AIDS virus, and now that it is out of control, we still put more money in the military than in medicine; more money in hate than in humanitarian concerns. Everybody does not have access to healthcare, I don’t care what the rich white boys in the Senate say. Listen up: If you are poor, black and elderly, forget it.”

Well gee RM, here are some quotes from just the one "sermon".

Sounds kind of racist to me.

 

“We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body.”

“We put Nelson Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

 

We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-semitic.”

 

We do not care if poor black and brown children cannot read and kill each other senselessly. We abandoned the cities back in the '60s when the riots started and it really doesn’t matter what those nations do to each other; we gave up on them and public education of poor people who live in the projects . . .”

 

We started the AIDS virus, and now that it is out of control, we still put more money in the military than in medicine; more money in hate than in humanitarian concerns. Everybody does not have access to healthcare, I don’t care what the rich white boys in the Senate say. Listen up: If you are poor, black and elderly, forget it.”

 

 

 

I'm sorry, that looks like social commentary to me.

 

Not racism.

I'm sorry, that looks like social commentary to me.

 

Not racism.

I'll give you just one line. "I don’t care what the rich white boys in the Senate say."

Social commentary? :lol: :lol: :lol:

And this little gem. "No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body.”

 

Yeah, just social commentary.

Well gee RM, here are some quotes from just the one "sermon".

Sounds kind of racist to me.

 

“We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body.”

“We put Nelson Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

 

We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-semitic.”

 

We do not care if poor black and brown children cannot read and kill each other senselessly. We abandoned the cities back in the '60s when the riots started and it really doesn’t matter what those nations do to each other; we gave up on them and public education of poor people who live in the projects . . .”

 

We started the AIDS virus, and now that it is out of control, we still put more money in the military than in medicine; more money in hate than in humanitarian concerns. Everybody does not have access to healthcare, I don’t care what the rich white boys in the Senate say. Listen up: If you are poor, black and elderly, forget it.”

 

 

I don't know what your intent was but I had no problem until the AIDS virus comment. Even in that he was going somewhere with it.

 

Look, you may not agree with his conclusions but there is some data out there concerning racism in this country and everything you mentioned sounds about like a pastor who gets up and says some of the things I've heard from White pulpits about misegination, same-sex marriage, abortion and so on.

My favorite quote. “We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college. Racism is alive and well".

 

Just more of that pesky social commentary.

 

After all, it's white Americas fault that there are more black men in prison than there are in college.

I'm sorry, that looks like social commentary to me.

 

Not racism.

 

 

I am trying to be objective here, but are you serious?