Not apples to apples my friend. Bell Co. or any other public schools male students are not equall to Lex. Cath when it comes to oppurtunities, and especially athletics. In this day in time when off-season is more important to your sucess it makes it harder and harder for public schools to compete. Those kids are so limited by busing and travel distance that it makes it hard for them to build theirselves like their more well-off compeitors. No way should a team with 10-15 players in every class (9-12) be expected to comptete with teams that have 30+.

 

So last year in the largest class (4A) public school Ryle (in NKY) with 75-80 players dressed had no business beating up on public school Henderson County with maybe 35 players dressed in the semi-finals?

 

What advantages did Ryle have that allowed them to dress twice as many players?

I know nothing about either school but I suspect it had something to do with the Duffy way, see Highlands in the early to mid 90's!

I know nothing about either school but I suspect it had something to do with the Duffy way, see Highlands in the early to mid 90's!

 

So Lexcath has an unfair advatage over Bell Co numbers-wise because they are a private school........but Ryle's advantage is not the same?

 

So should there be a class for public schools that have coaches that encourage all players and a class for public schools that like to limit the number of players?

 

Should there be a class for schools like Beechwood that always have a large roster despite being in Class A? Should Scott, which next year might have 35-40 players not have to play in the same 5A district with Dixie who might have 60-65?

This thread is not about Bell Co./LC it is about reasons for a multiplier. I know nothing about any of the programs you mentioned maybe you should check with someone familiar with them?

 

So tell us how do you feel about the question in the thread? Or are you just responding to my post?

 

I stated I know nothing about Henderson or Ryle. The only thing I know is that Duffy always cut enough good players at Highlands to probably win most districts in Ky so I guess that is why Henderson had such a small number of players. How does that fit into the thread? Their will always be exceptions to the norm.

At one time I worked in a private school and yes they are quiet different than the public schools I have worked and attended.

 

In no way are my rants (perceived by some as attacks) personal or degrading towards any group or system. I just don't think the different types of schools can be treated as equals in a land where the haves and have nots has such a large gap IMO.

It doesn't make any sense to bring all these social and economic issues into the picture. They really have nothing to do with the lack of success of some schools.

 

What really matters is the dedication and effort of the school system, the parents and the players. If the people involved aren't willing to put forth the effort and sacrifice necessary to be a winner, they will continue to fail. You can find excuses for it all day long, but it will do nothing to raise any team to the next level.

CAL is the only one that plays football.

Beth Haven

It doesn't make any sense to bring all these social and economic issues into the picture. They really have nothing to do with the lack of success of some schools.

 

What really matters is the dedication and effort of the school system, the parents and the players. If the people involved aren't willing to put forth the effort and sacrifice necessary to be a winner, they will continue to fail. You can find excuses for it all day long, but it will do nothing to raise any team to the next level.

 

You all don't understand what I am saying. Alot of the kids in the poorer schools don't have mommys and daddys at home supporting them or taking them back and forth to practice, workouts and etc. So in a lot of instances those kids don't get to play b/c they are at home doing what there parents should be doing, by being the adult. Look outside of your own circumstances and you may realize what is out their. Not everyone has the same oppurtunites as others. :madman: The kids that don't should not be clumped into attempting to compete with the ones that do. In a nutshell that is what you get with the private schools playing the publics.

 

Of course you guys from the private schools don't want anything changed why would you? Lets get real here and see that this is a problem.

 

Dang this is gettting way too deep. This must be what the delegates felt like during the Great Compromise. The ones in power will never want to give that power up. :cool:

I completely and totally disagree with your assessment. This year I've witnessed what can be done with a little faith and guidance. While a kid from Holmes may have more to deal with than a kid from Highlands. If you show faith in either of those kids and lead them in the right direction they will both respond.

 

I heard for years that the kids from Holmes are bad kids and aren't coachable. Hogwash, there are a lot of GREAT kids at Holmes. When it came down to it, a LOT of it is on the adults leading them. Whether it is at home, in the classroom or on the playing field...

 

What you're doing, IMO is giving them the built in excuse that most do. You aren't expected to succeed, so it's okay when you don't. Bullcrap, those kids at other schools are no different than the kids at Highlands, X or T. The support and their problems may be different, but the kids are virtually the same...

You all don't understand what I am saying. Alot of the kids in the poorer schools don't have mommys and daddys at home supporting them or taking them back and forth to practice, workouts and etc. So in a lot of instances those kids don't get to play b/c they are at home doing what there parents should be doing, by being the adult. Look outside of your own circumstances and you may realize what is out their. Not everyone has the same oppurtunites as others. :madman: The kids that don't should not be clumped into attempting to compete with the ones that do. In a nutshell that is what you get with the private schools playing the publics.

 

Of course you guys from the private schools don't want anything changed why would you? Lets get real here and see that this is a problem.

 

Dang this is gettting way too deep. This must be what the delegates felt like during the Great Compromise. The ones in power will never want to give that power up. :cool:

 

And this is true of kids in Private schools too. There are kids with severe leaning disabilities, Behavioral disorders, Touretts, one parent homes, divorces, abuse, ect, ect, ect.

 

It will range across the specturm for all schools Public and Private. I can take you to a Public School that has very little of what you speak, and has less of the "problems" than some Private schools have. There are some Private schools with less of the "problems" than many Public schools. But don't pidgenhole all of Public or Private schools based on the "problems" that some kids have that go there.

This arguement has no foundation.

 

Come on over to the other.

While proposals have been defeating, those who thought this issue closed with the dropping of Prop 20, can see that it is not close to being over.

 

There is still hot debate on what needs to be done.

To me urban/rural has no foundation. It is open house, financial aid, no boundaries.....ect

You all don't understand what I am saying. Alot of the kids in the poorer schools don't have mommys and daddys at home supporting them or taking them back and forth to practice, workouts and etc. So in a lot of instances those kids don't get to play b/c they are at home doing what there parents should be doing, by being the adult. Look outside of your own circumstances and you may realize what is out their. Not everyone has the same oppurtunites as others. :madman: The kids that don't should not be clumped into attempting to compete with the ones that do. In a nutshell that is what you get with the private schools playing the publics.

 

Of course you guys from the private schools don't want anything changed why would you? Lets get real here and see that this is a problem.

 

Dang this is gettting way too deep. This must be what the delegates felt like during the Great Compromise. The ones in power will never want to give that power up. :cool:

Everything you described can also be said of some kids in private schools. You are drawng a line between these two sets of students which simply does not exist. I would reccomend you look past your own circumstanses. The world is a lot more complicated and less cut and dry than it may seem.

 

Btw, I don't think the private school posters have even appeared in this thread yet. Mostly you're hearing from supporters of public schools that don't believe in resting on excuses.

While proposals have been defeating, those who thought this issue closed with the dropping of Prop 20, can see that it is not close to being over.

 

There is still hot debate on what needs to be done.

 

What do you think needs to be done?

You all don't understand what I am saying. Alot of the kids in the poorer schools don't have mommys and daddys at home supporting them or taking them back and forth to practice, workouts and etc. So in a lot of instances those kids don't get to play b/c they are at home doing what there parents should be doing, by being the adult. Look outside of your own circumstances and you may realize what is out their. Not everyone has the same oppurtunites as others. :madman: The kids that don't should not be clumped into attempting to compete with the ones that do. In a nutshell that is what you get with the private schools playing the publics.

 

Of course you guys from the private schools don't want anything changed why would you? Lets get real here and see that this is a problem.

 

Dang this is gettting way too deep. This must be what the delegates felt like during the Great Compromise. The ones in power will never want to give that power up. :cool:

 

 

I likewise disagree with your premise. Furthermore, these disadvantaged kids that you are referring to will soon be competing against the other kids as they attempt to get into college or attend college; as they enter the workforce, etc. The sooner we can teach them that life is not fair and that they will have to work harder to overcome their disadvantages, the better off they will be. It truly is a harsh, dog eat dog world and as adults we need to prepare them for it; not coddle them and tell them since they are disadvantaged we will make it easy for them. The best "education" we can give them in high school is to prepare them for the rest of their lives. While I truly appreciate your compassionate approach, I just philosophically disagree with it. Perhaps its because I grew up with not much and through hard work are now able to provide my children a lot more than I ever had; perhaps its my Marine Corps background, but to me making it easy for someone to succeed is not doing them any favors.