???? Im confused now, they killed LexCath this year. They are I think 2-1 against the Knights if not better then that. Yes it might mean one more tough opponent to play and on occassion maybe losing to the Knights but I doubt Highlands would still mind much.

 

Is a multiplier needed? Maybe, but I can't see it having much effect on the landscape of football. 4A might be a bit more wide open without LexCath. Otherwise St. X and Trinity have they cieling effect. 5A is always gonna be dominated by the few teams at the top with an occassional good year from one school or another. NCC will still always have the same people coming up. LCA's program is just gonna keep growing and growing as more and more people in Lexington start going there.

 

Don't worry about it as the comment you were refering to was illogical. As has been pointed out, Highlands tried to and was able to move to the same class as CovCath, which has had a stronger program overall than LexCath. It is illogical to accuse a team to supposedly be "ducking" strong competition when that team moves up to a even tougher class against tougher teams AND the team schedules the team that it is supposedly ducking (and beats them pretty convincingly).

Don't worry about it as the comment you were referring to was illogical. As has been pointed out, Highlands tried to and was able to move to the same class as CovCath, which has had a stronger program overall than LexCath. It is illogical to accuse a team to supposedly be "ducking" strong competition when that team moves up to a even tougher class against tougher teams AND the team schedules the team that it is supposedly ducking (and beats them pretty convincingly).

 

 

Remember in mentioning CovCath they too moved up a class. CovCath was to play in 4A but moved up to 5A due to being able to play teams in the local NKy area (Kenton, & Campbell Counties), and when CovCath moved up to 5A HHS to their credit, moved up two classes. Neither CovCath nor HHS tried to duck anyone, they both just wanted to play in their local area, and not travel ungodly distances to play district games, like some school have to..... Why travel long distances to play district games when within minutes of CovCath you have Dixie, Scott (Kenton Co), CovHolmes, and HHS.... The move up, made a ton of cents..... (pun intended )

Don't worry about it as the comment you were refering to was illogical. As has been pointed out, Highlands tried to and was able to move to the same class as CovCath, which has had a stronger program overall than LexCath. It is illogical to accuse a team to supposedly be "ducking" strong competition when that team moves up to a even tougher class against tougher teams AND the team schedules the team that it is supposedly ducking (and beats them pretty convincingly).

 

What i figured. Course, to say CovCath has had a stronger program than Lex Cath overall isn't hard. Lex Cath has only had a program 17 years and gotten 2 state titles. A lot of programs will look stronger overall then Lex Cath based simply on longevity.

If they give financial aid.

 

Let's cut the garbage.

 

EVERY public school kid gets a FREE RIDE (including transportation and reduced athletic fees).

 

All financial advantages for attracting students go to the PUBLIC schools.

What i figured. Course, to say CovCath has had a stronger program than Lex Cath overall isn't hard. Lex Cath has only had a program 17 years and gotten 2 state titles. A lot of programs will look stronger overall then Lex Cath based simply on longevity.

 

Oh please don't take my comment as being disrespectful to LexCath...that's not what I intended at all. I have nothing but great respect for LexCath. But I was trying to get the point across that it made zero sense for the other poster to argue or imply that Highlands had moved all the way up to 5A to be ducking LexCath when by being in 5A Highlands would be in the same class as CovCath and still scheduled LexCath in the regular season. And you're right, LexCath has done a whole lot in just 17 years. Great program. And I'm a big fan of Coach Letton. Super guy and a Centre grad on top of that.

 

Oldguy, I'm right with you on your post.

Thats what they do in Tn, but they use a 1.75% multiplier...

 

Tennessee's multipler is 1.8.

 

It is interesting to read this forum. I live in Tennessee...and some of the same things you are posting are the same things we are posting.

It seems this controversy is being debated all over the country. You all have some of the same problems we do...but they are somewhat

different too. We don't have as many huge Catholic schools as you do. We have the smaller college prep schools such as Brentwood Academy

and MBA. We also have the boarding schools such as Chattanooga Baylor and Chattanooga McCallie. I am somewhat familiar with Ky. too since I lived there for several years.

Let's cut the garbage.

 

EVERY public school kid gets a FREE RIDE (including transportation and reduced athletic fees).

 

All financial advantages for attracting students go to the PUBLIC schools.

 

Read what was said. If I want to send my son to Corbin and I live in Bell it is NOT FREE. No free ride and no free transportation. I can't do it without moving.

yes, add a multiplier.

LexCath soundly beat Lone Oak, but I think we need to be realistic about that win. No dis to Lone Oak, but that wasn't a real solid football team across the board. First appearance in the finals in quite some time and frankly they didn't have to beat anyone all that good to make it there. I think if Bell had played them, the result would have been the same...loss by Lone Oak (LO fans don't beat me up. I love what you guys did this year and hope like heck your success continues. But it will take a continued effort like this years to catch up with Lex Cath which has been doing this for quite some time. You can do it however.)

Just now saw this ...

 

Bell might have beaten Lone Oak, but I think the game would have been much more competitive than the LexCath-Lone Oak game. I see no way that Bell would have handled Lone Oak in similar fashion.

 

And it wasn't Lone Oak's first final "in quite some time" ... it was their first appearance ever. Then again, I guess that does qualify as "quite some time." :lol:

 

Until this year, Lone Oak had one playoff win in the school's history.

I've been thinking hard on this subject lately. After reading everyones comments especially people who I respect I have decided that there is 1 and only 1 inherent advantage that private schools have over public schools. Every other percieved advantage can be matched, overcome, or surpassed by the publices if they so choose. The advantage is the ability of the privates to turn the lower end students away. Publics cannot match this legally.

Lets say you have a public with 1000 boys. 50 or so are going to be Special Education students with mental or physical traits that prevent them from playing. 100 or so are going to be overall unmotivated or drug induced losers. Another 100 or so will be academically inelligible to compete. This leaves a pool of 750 boys who are legitimate candidates to play.

At the private school all 1000 boys will be candidates because the above will not be allowed to remain in school.

That is the one and only advantage that publics cannot match. I propose a 1.25 multiplier on private schools and lets play ball!

I've been thinking hard on this subject lately. After reading everyones comments especially people who I respect I have decided that there is 1 and only 1 inherent advantage that private schools have over public schools. Every other percieved advantage can be matched, overcome, or surpassed by the publices if they so choose. The advantage is the ability of the privates to turn the lower end students away. Publics cannot match this legally.

Lets say you have a public with 1000 boys. 50 or so are going to be Special Education students with mental or physical traits that prevent them from playing. 100 or so are going to be overall unmotivated or drug induced losers. Another 100 or so will be academically inelligible to compete. This leaves a pool of 750 boys who are legitimate candidates to play.

At the private school all 1000 boys will be candidates because the above will not be allowed to remain in school.

That is the one and only advantage that publics cannot match. I propose a 1.25 multiplier on private schools and lets play ball!

 

In regards to Special Education and students in a public school district, I learned this week that for certain services it does not matter whether a student is attending public, private or homeschooling, the public school district is STILL RESPONSINBLE for providing services to the child.

 

For example, if my child needs speech therapy and I send my child to the School of Privatedom, the public school has to provide speech lessons to my child even though they are not a student at the public school. Since money for special education comes from the federal government, the public school is responsible for certain aspects of that child's education if the parents want to use those services irregardless of where that child is attending school.

 

Except in the case that they have enrolled in another out of district public school and then that school becomes responsible for them.

 

People wonder why public schools act like they own the child, it is because they are continously told by federal and state government that they are responsible for the education and services provided to that child. And if that child is not educated properly, than it is the public schools' fault.

 

Unfortunately, in this country and the education setup, the governments have determined that the public schools are responsible for the education of the child and not the parents.

 

I say we need a voucher system, relieve the public schools of the pressure of being fully responsible for educating a child and give that responsibility and pressure to the parents.

 

Bring choice NOT ONLY to the parents but to the schools.

 

Private schools presently have a choice.

Parents presently have a choice.

Public schools do not have a choice.

In regards to Special Education and students in a public school district, I learned this week that for certain services it does not matter whether a student is attending public, private or homeschooling, the public school district is STILL RESPONSINBLE for providing services to the child.

 

For example, if my child needs speech therapy and I send my child to the School of Privatedom, the public school has to provide speech lessons to my child even though they are not a student at the public school. Since money for special education comes from the federal government, the public school is responsible for certain aspects of that child's education if the parents want to use those services irregardless of where that child is attending school.

 

Except in the case that they have enrolled in another out of district public school and then that school becomes responsible for them.

 

People wonder why public schools act like they own the child, it is because they are continously told by federal and state government that they are responsible for the education and services provided to that child. And if that child is not educated properly, than it is the public schools' fault.

 

Unfortunately, in this country and the education setup, the governments have determined that the public schools are responsible for the education of the child and not the parents.

 

I say we need a voucher system, relieve the public schools of the pressure of being fully responsible for educating a child and give that responsibility and pressure to the parents.

 

Bring choice NOT ONLY to the parents but to the schools.

 

Private schools presently have a choice.

Parents presently have a choice.

Public schools do not have a choice.

 

Yea right ! My daughter needed some speech therapy from the local public school when she was in the first and second grade. First we had to fight to get the help she needed and when you consider the number of times that the public school teacher canceled the class due to her, or her kids being sick, the school being closed for snow, cried to me about having too many kids and not enough time to work with "Your Daughter", we canceled going to the PUBLIC SCHOOL and got the help she needed through our insurance company and paid the fees instead of getting the help from the public school.... Yea, :irked: the Public School was a big, big help.....

Yea right ! My daughter needed some speech therapy from the local public school when she was in the first and second grade. First we had to fight to get the help she needed and when you consider the number of times that the public school teacher canceled the class due to her, or her kids being sick, the school being closed for snow, cried to me about having too many kids and not enough time to work with "Your Daughter", we canceled going to the PUBLIC SCHOOL and got the help she needed through our insurance company and paid the fees instead of getting the help from the public school.... Yea, :irked: the Public School was a big, big help.....

 

The Public School is required by law to provide the services. Unfortunately, whether they do a good job at it is up to the district and if they can get quality speech therapists.

 

I can tell you from firsthand knowledge that the # of speech therapists needed and the number that the federal government funds cover and the # actually at a school is three far differently things.

 

I too went the private route to supplement what my child was getting at the public school and paid the fees, too.

 

In addition, it is hard to get and keep a speech therapist when they can make 3 times to 4 times more money in private practice than they can working in a school district. In the 7 years my child has speech, I think he had 4 different speech therapists.

 

Oldguy, don't throw every public school under the bus because of your bad experiences and those on the other side will not assume every private school is like LCA and Lex Cath. Deal?

The Public School is required by law to provide the services. Unfortunately, whether they do a good job at it is up to the district and if they can get quality speech therapists.

 

I can tell you from firsthand knowledge that the # of speech therapists needed and the number that the federal government funds cover and the # actually at a school is three far differently things.

 

I too went the private route to supplement what my child was getting at the public school and paid the fees, too.

 

In addition, it is hard to get and keep a speech therapist when they can make 3 times to 4 times more money in private practice than they can working in a school district. In the 7 years my child has speech, I think he had 4 different speech therapists.

 

Oldguy, don't throw every public school under the bus because of your bad experiences and those on the other side will not assume every private school is like LCA and Lex Cath. Deal?

 

Deal :thumb:

I've been thinking hard on this subject lately. After reading everyones comments especially people who I respect I have decided that there is 1 and only 1 inherent advantage that private schools have over public schools. Every other percieved advantage can be matched, overcome, or surpassed by the publices if they so choose. The advantage is the ability of the privates to turn the lower end students away. Publics cannot match this legally.

Lets say you have a public with 1000 boys. 50 or so are going to be Special Education students with mental or physical traits that prevent them from playing. 100 or so are going to be overall unmotivated or drug induced losers. Another 100 or so will be academically inelligible to compete. This leaves a pool of 750 boys who are legitimate candidates to play.

At the private school all 1000 boys will be candidates because the above will not be allowed to remain in school.

That is the one and only advantage that publics cannot match. I propose a 1.25 multiplier on private schools and lets play ball!

 

kypride, nearly all private schools around the state can't turn away the low end students due to finances. I would guess, that only T and X and maybe Asuumption in Louisville could do this. No one who applies to Lexington Catholic is turned awawy because of poor grades in middle school or a low score on the placement(not entrance) exam. We have actually taken information from Trinity about thier learning differneces program, so that we can better serve those students who may have some learning disabilities. We are the only Catholic high school in central KY, and anyone in that area who desires a Catholic high school education centered around "Mind Spirit and Body", we will do all in our power to make that happen. We may not have students with severe education deficits, but I can tell you exactly what it is like to teach a student that has Tourette's in the same class as 10 honor students. We do have kids that would be labeled and placed in special education, or behavior disorder classes, but they are in normal classrooms here.

 

And as far as so many being eligible or ineligible to compete, our grading scale is different, and so a passing grade in some public schools, is not always equal to a passing grade in some private schools. Some private schools have as much as a 10 point difference, coupled with a more difficult curriculum in what is passing and failing. I would say it is harder for some of the kids that are labeled as pure athletes to be eligible at private schools than public schools. Just my opinion.