1 hour ago, Mr.Network said:

We’re here today to honor an average high school quarterback, but one who turned out to be a great coach and an even better man.

You are probably saying to yourself, “Wait a minute this isn’t a roast, why is he saying the honoree was an average quarterback?”

Well, the truth is that I have a rare home video from our sophomore junior varsity game in 1980, and while it shows that he was average, it shows that I was below-average……

In summary, for years and years of honest, transparent, and insightful posting, capped off by leading the site’s users on the unlikely quest for 500 posts about a school’s coaching search, when the issue seemed dead, I present this Blue Jacket and framed Hall of Fame membership certificate to my friend, and yours @ChiefSmoke!
 

 

To say I was average... .most definitely a compliment. Not sure Larry French would have ever given me that high a compliment. He does tell everyone I was the slowest QB he ever had.

I definitely picked the right guy for my induction speech! That was excellent!  Lol

#BurnThatVideo

17 hours ago, DanvilleFan said:

I'm interested in why Clevenger withdrew.  Did he get a lay of the land and not like what he saw?  Just a lack of mutual interest?

It's great to see this thread get so many responses like the Garrard one.  Shows there's great interest in football in region!

Just reading through all these post and I agree it's good to see so much interest in high school football. Looks like to me Clevenger would be the top pick of anyone in central KY. State championship pedigree. Checks the boxes. 

Is Marty still coaching? He might be a good one to rehire if his son does not make the move! 

39 minutes ago, Cary Grant said:

Is Marty still coaching? He might be a good one to rehire if his son does not make the move! 

How does the next generation of coaches get an opportunity if we keep going back to these guys? 

1 minute ago, NotMattJones said:

How does the next generation of coaches get an opportunity if we keep going back to these guys? 

Not by taking your ball and going home. 

57 minutes ago, NotMattJones said:

How does the next generation of coaches get an opportunity if we keep going back to these guys? 

It still happens. My Dad got his first head coaching job at Boyle because Jack Cline, who was then the head coach at Franklin County, turned it down. Jonathan Thomas replaced me at Mason County.  Alot of the reason I got the Paris job(1st one)  was because it did not open up until late May.

 Those guys will get their chance. They'll find out, being an assistant was more fun and they did more football. 

1 hour ago, NotMattJones said:

How does the next generation of coaches get an opportunity if we keep going back to these guys? 

There are an awful lot of football programs out there. I've been managing the Open Jobs threads for football for several years now, and every year there are probably 10-15 coaches who get promoted to their first head coaching job. With something like 210 football programs, 12 new head coaches a year makes about 6% of the coaches, yearly, who are part of the "next generation of coaches." Seems like a pretty steady stream of next generation coming in, if you ask me.

Guys, I was offering an opinion. Nothing more. 

1 hour ago, NotMattJones said:

Guys, I was offering an opinion. Nothing more. 

I hear you. Nothing wrong with that at all. I just figured I'd offer a little more perspective for you. All good here, buddy ?

1 hour ago, NotMattJones said:

Guys, I was offering an opinion. Nothing more. 

All good. A bunch of times, when you become a head coach, you realize that you had it made when you were an assistant. I was one of those guys.  

Jay Cobb, Bob Sphire, Dudley Hilton, Mike Holcomb,  Sam Harp, Chuck Smith, Joe Jaggers, Marty Jaggers, Lance Gregory, Colt Phelps  etc and countless others out there that I’ve forgotten to mention come to mind with the point I’m about to make in being first time head coaches that had to make a move maybe outside their comfort zone as young assistant coaches either newly married/young family/not married/no family that uprooted where they were from to become head coaches for the first time:

Jay Cobb- From Western Kentucky in Webster County and his first head coaching job was in the mountains at Knott County Central.

Bob Sphire- From just south of Louisville in Meade County and his first head coaching job was also at Knott County Central.

Dudley Hilton- From the heart of Central Kentucky and his first head coaching job was in the mountains at Breathitt County which was a first year program.

Sam Harp- From Frankfort who took his first head coaching job in far, far WKY at Calloway County.

Mike Holcomb- From Bardstown KY who took an assistant job under aforementioned Dudley Hilton at Breathitt County and a few years later became the head coach where he stayed for 30 years.

Chuck Smith- The pride of Jeffersontown HS in Louisville who got his first chance almost in Tennessee at Allen Co- Scottsville.

Joe Jaggers- From Caldwell County in western KY and first head coaching job was at the once Old Kentucky Home in Bardstown.

Marty Jaggers- From Trigg County in western KY and first head coaching job was at Lincoln County.

Lance Gregory- from Bardstown who up until a few years ago was the head coach at Graves County High School which is almost as far west in KY as you can go.

Colt Phelps- from Ashland and just finished his first year at Green County, about 4 hours from where he grew up. 

Point is? There are jobs to be had for all of the younger generations, some get jobs in and around their home area, but many have to go to a place that isn’t exactly “home” in order to come back around home.

 

18 minutes ago, Calico Jack said:

Jay Cobb, Bob Sphire, Dudley Hilton, Mike Holcomb,  Sam Harp, Chuck Smith, Joe Jaggers, Marty Jaggers, Lance Gregory, Colt Phelps  etc and countless others out there that I’ve forgotten to mention come to mind with the point I’m about to make in being first time head coaches that had to make a move maybe outside their comfort zone as young assistant coaches either newly married/young family/not married/no family that uprooted where they were from to become head coaches for the first time:

Jay Cobb- From Western Kentucky in Webster County and his first head coaching job was in the mountains at Knott County Central.

Bob Sphire- From just south of Louisville in Meade County and his first head coaching job was also at Knott County Central.

Dudley Hilton- From the heart of Central Kentucky and his first head coaching job was in the mountains at Breathitt County which was a first year program.

Sam Harp- From Frankfort who took his first head coaching job in far, far WKY at Calloway County.

Mike Holcomb- From Bardstown KY who took an assistant job under aforementioned Dudley Hilton at Breathitt County and a few years later became the head coach where he stayed for 30 years.

Chuck Smith- The pride of Jeffersontown HS in Louisville who got his first chance almost in Tennessee at Allen Co- Scottsville.

Joe Jaggers- From Caldwell County in western KY and first head coaching job was at the once Old Kentucky Home in Bardstown.

Marty Jaggers- From Trigg County in western KY and first head coaching job was at Lincoln County.

Lance Gregory- from Bardstown who up until a few years ago was the head coach at Graves County High School which is almost as far west in KY as you can go.

Colt Phelps- from Ashland and just finished his first year at Green County, about 4 hours from where he grew up. 

Point is? There are jobs to be had for all of the younger generations, some get jobs in and around their home area, but many have to go to a place that isn’t exactly “home” in order to come back around home.

 

And Tim Estes, who took over at LCHS when Marty Jaggers resigned, took two years away from his beloved Lincoln football to be the head coach at Webster County. He got the experience he needed to take over his alma mater’s program when the opportunity presented itself in the summer of 1997.

 

1 hour ago, Mr.Network said:

And Tim Estes, who took over at LCHS when Marty Jaggers resigned, took two years away from his beloved Lincoln football to be the head coach at Webster County. He got the experience he needed to take over his alma mater’s program when the opportunity presented itself in the summer of 1997.

 

I forgot about that instance. 

The reason I said that in the above post is because most coaching families these days have maybe one, and more times than not only two moves or so at the most in them.   When your wife and kids get invested into their jobs/communities/schools then the harder it is to move for a profession that “isn’t about the money, but is about the money” (at least in this state. Georgia, Alabama, Texas, etc? Different situation.  You see a lot more moving and shaking there because more times than not you are getting significant financial incentives to pack your family up and move). 
 

You saw it more in Kentucky back in the “old days” because, well, let’s just call it how it was: the dad was the primary bread winner, so families followed the money.   
 

Nowadays? That isn’t the case and in many cases wives have just as good of a quality + paying job, if not better.   So then it becomes a battle between what your heart says and what your head says. 
 

Point being? There are jobs to be had for first time head coaches.  The question is: How important is it to you and yours?

I know the @theguru has said it before and I couldn’t agree more, but head football coaches should make in and around that 100K salary or more for the job requirements both in the classroom and on the field because they are both full time jobs and don’t ever let anybody tell you different, expectations, figure heads for the community, etc.  

If the pay actually matched the job or other requests/demands were met? You wouldn’t see those who apply then withdraw, or offered then not take or job accepted only to have second thoughts in the coming days later.
 

It’s a total 180 as an assistant compared to a head coach.  They aren’t even in the same breath of discussions.  All those “friends” and boosters that are parents of players you thought you had as an assistant? Be the one who holds the key to whether or not their son starts, gets enough passes, touches or playing time and you’ll find out real quick just how much they care about you. They’ll drop and hang you out to dry like a bad habit and won’t think twice. 

Really nothing wrong with a coach in their early 60’s.  When they get to 70 plus you have to be a special type of coach. Experience counts!

7 hours ago, Cary Grant said:

Really nothing wrong with a coach in their early 60’s.  When they get to 70 plus you have to be a special type of coach. Experience counts!

Shoot, as a young man, their is a nothing wrong with the old guys, that goes for any job, trade or whatever we do in life, so full of knowledge and wisdom,