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KFCA Playoff Survey on district play for the first two rounds of the playoffs

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1 hour ago, Tigerpride94 said:

 

I am pretty confident that 76.7% supporting a change is going to go down with supers, ADs, and principals in the mix. 

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3 hours ago, theguru said:

I am pretty confident that 76.7% supporting a change is going to go down with supers, ADs, and principals in the mix. 

Why do you believe that?

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2 hours ago, ChiefSmoke said:

Why do you believe that?

Probably because the bean counters are going to look at travel costs. Hopefully they listen to the coaches.

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12 minutes ago, Tigerpride94 said:

Probably because the bean counters are going to look at travel costs. Hopefully they listen to the coaches.

Would love to hear those bean counters’ opinions on 15 road games for each basketball team and another 3-4 to the same place for holiday tournaments.

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57 minutes ago, gchs_uk9 said:

Would love to hear those bean counters’ opinions on 15 road games for each basketball team and another 3-4 to the same place for holiday tournaments.

Hopefully they take that into consideration!

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14 hours ago, Tigerpride94 said:

Probably because the bean counters are going to look at travel costs. Hopefully they listen to the coaches.

Travel costs are a real concern for many teams/school districts right now due to lack of revenue from severly reduced attendance, and the problems with fundraising due to Covid. Many athletic budgets are running on fumes.

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20 hours ago, rjs4470 said:

Travel costs are a real concern for many teams/school districts right now due to lack of revenue from severly reduced attendance, and the problems with fundraising due to Covid. Many athletic budgets are running on fumes.

I agree but this was started before Covid.  I think you have a few schools that struggle with fielding a competitive team, for a variety of reasons, that want to drive a county or two over and get that first round over with.  I think it's a small number, which the graph seems to support, but their voice is no less important.  Maybe the top 3 teams from every district with the district champ earning a bye.  The 4 over a 1 upset is very rare but the 2nd and 3rd placed teams in any given district may have had a very good year except for a couple of close losses.  Every team would not make the playoffs but 70-75 percent would.  Would also make that district game between that 3rd and 4th team mean a little more.  

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On this topic and from the KHSAA Board meeting yesterday:

Requested staff conduct a survey (one school, one vote) of the football-playing member schools to fully determine (per Bylaw 1) the membership’s preference in regards to the bracketing of the first two rounds of the football playoffs, with the results to be reviewed at the May meeting.

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For those wondering if there will be a change or not... the KHSAA has all the proof they need not to change anything from the wording of the poll and ya'll not even realizing it. 😄

"23.3% supporting current playoff structure"

Our Translation- 23.3% of the KFCA like the current playoff structure.

KHSAA Translation- 23.3% of the KFCA love the current playoff structure and never want to see it changed.

"76.7% supporting a change to the current playoff structure."

Our Translation- 76.7% of the KFCA wants to get rid of the current playoff structure.

KHSAA Translation- 76.7% of the KFCA loves the current playoff structure so much that they want all proposals to be changed to the current playoff structure.

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Jared Peck had a good article about this today in the Lexington Herald-Leader, noting that the argument of keeping teams in their district for the first two rounds because it was done in other sports wasn't a good analogy because basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. allow two teams go out of the district level to regions whereas football doesn't do that.  Since football is single elimination you start at the regional level from the jump and basketball, baseball, and volleyball all use cross-districting regional tournaments to decide who advances to state.  I thought it was an insightful look at the issue.

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9 minutes ago, DanvilleFan said:

Jared Peck had a good article about this today in the Lexington Herald-Leader, noting that the argument of keeping teams in their district for the first two rounds because it was done in other sports wasn't a good analogy because basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. allow two teams go out of the district level to regions whereas football doesn't do that.  Since football is single elimination you start at the regional level from the jump and basketball, baseball, and volleyball all use cross-districting regional tournaments to decide who advances to state.  I thought it was an insightful look at the issue.

Jared Peck hit a home run with that article. He cut through the smokescreen and told the truth.   

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11 minutes ago, DanvilleFan said:

Jared Peck had a good article about this today in the Lexington Herald-Leader, noting that the argument of keeping teams in their district for the first two rounds because it was done in other sports wasn't a good analogy because basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. allow two teams go out of the district level to regions whereas football doesn't do that.  Since football is single elimination you start at the regional level from the jump and basketball, baseball, and volleyball all use cross-districting regional tournaments to decide who advances to state.  I thought it was an insightful look at the issue.

An excellent point. The reality is that they’ll just argue that “other sports do it” when it fits whatever narrative they want to push and it’ll be “this sport is different” when it serves them. 

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You gotta beat em all to win the big one... the rest is noise IMO. 

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One idea I heard brought up during KHSAA meeting was idea of playing another district that is geographically close. Which have 3 6A districts in Louisville so one district would be the odd one out. Probably better than intra-district play.

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Playing schools from the opposite District in each region worked very well for years and provided some great diversity.  There was no reason to go away from it that makes any sense from any aspect except trying to reduce expenses which is flawed.  The cross district pairings were fun and drew good crowds.

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