I asked my neighbor, who has 30 years experience with our local ambulance service, about your loss of blood comment in the second paragraph. He said if the victims died instantly from gunshot wounds that means the heart stops pumping and very little blood is lost. Certainly not 20 gallons from 26 victims. The average adult human has 1.2 to 1.5 gallons of blood in their body. Children would have much less. To produce 20 gallons of blood from 26 victims would mean that all the victims would have to bleed practically all the blood from their bodies (and without a heart pumping to generate the blood flow).

He said that when the heart stops beating from gunshot or vehicle accidents, or other types of traumatic deaths, that there would be very little blood on the scene.

 

Hope that clears up your question from the second paragraph.

 

The assumption is that all victims died instantly and this would also assume that the shots were well placed. There is no evidence to support that this shooter was an accomplished triggerman, and even less to suggest that each of the 26 died instantly. Quite the opposite is likely true in a mass shooting situation. The fact is that in these situations it is much more likely that the victims are bleeding out and not dropping dead instantaneously.

 

I'll make the assumption your subject matter expert has not been on the scene of a mass shooting, nor seen the results, so his speculation is just like others on either side of this argument. And while I appreciate the feedback, I would ask your local ambulance driver EMT if he understands the concept of a hazardous waste manifest and if he has any curiosity about why the agencies in charge are unable to produce any of this documentation.

 

I hope this clears it up for you…..

The assumption is that all victims died instantly and this would also assume that the shots were well placed. There is no evidence to support that this shooter was an accomplished triggerman, and even less to suggest that each of the 26 died instantly. Quite the opposite is likely true in a mass shooting situation. The fact is that in these situations it is much more likely that the victims are bleeding out and not dropping dead instantaneously.

 

I'll make the assumption your subject matter expert has not been on the scene of a mass shooting, nor seen the results, so his speculation is just like others on either side of this argument. And while I appreciate the feedback, I would ask your local ambulance driver EMT if he understands the concept of a hazardous waste manifest and if he has any curiosity about why the agencies in charge are unable to produce any of this documentation.

 

I hope this clears it up for you…..

Again Apropos.

The assumption is that all victims died instantly and this would also assume that the shots were well placed. There is no evidence to support that this shooter was an accomplished triggerman, and even less to suggest that each of the 26 died instantly. Quite the opposite is likely true in a mass shooting situation. The fact is that in these situations it is much more likely that the victims are bleeding out and not dropping dead instantaneously.

 

I'll make the assumption your subject matter expert has not been on the scene of a mass shooting, nor seen the results, so his speculation is just like others on either side of this argument. And while I appreciate the feedback, I would ask your local ambulance driver EMT if he understands the concept of a hazardous waste manifest and if he has any curiosity about why the agencies in charge are unable to produce any of this documentation.

 

I hope this clears it up for you…..

I hope you didn't think that I was trying to be a smart alec with my "clear up" comment. Just trying to respond to your post.

 

I read your response to my friend and he says your assumption that 26 victims of small body frame (children) are going to produce 20 gallons of blood at the scene of the crime is way off the mark. Whether some of the victims didn't die suddenly is definitely a possibility, but there's more reason to assume that most did. But even if all didn't die quickly, there's no way on earth that there would be 20 gallons of blood. (It bothers me to even talk about this because it's small children being discussed).

As far as why the documents haven't been released dealing with the cleanup, I don't know the answer to that and he said he didn't either. My response was only to the amount of blood loss. Children have less than a gallon of blood in their bodies. To produce that much blood the assumption would have to be that every victim would bleed completely out, which is impossible.

No doubt mountain ref is going to have something for us on Sandy Hook.

 

No way it's a hoax. I feel for those poor kids and teachers that day and it's every parents nightmare.

However!!!!!

There are questions that remain unanswered.

I give no credence to Alex Jones. I put him in the same boat as Van Jones. Fringe idiots of their respective sides.

 

You compare conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to CNN commentator Van Jones? I think your helmet is fogging up. :lol2:

 

Also the fact you don't buy in means very little, because our PEOTUS does, which means several of his supporters will hang on every irresponsible, ignorant word from Alex Jones' mouth.

You compare conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to CNN commentator Van Jones? I think your helmet is fogging up. :lol2:

 

Also the fact you don't buy in means very little, because our PEOTUS does, which means several of his supporters will hang on every irresponsible, ignorant word from Alex Jones' mouth.

 

Yes, I sure do put them in the same boat. Alex Jones is an idiot on the far Right. Van Jones is an idiot on the far Left. If you can't see they are cut from the same cloth, there is no point in further discussing this with you.

And where are all these people now at?

On the island from Lost?

The thing that sticks out to me with the Sandy Hooks, Boston Bombing's, Aurora Colorado shootings, etc., is the notion that these have all been "drills" or "training exercises".

 

In talking with someone who was in the military for many years and involved in many black ops projects he says that many of these events happen, but they are "drills" that end up going "live". Whether it for training or other purposes who knows but he was firm in his belief that live drills are carried out all the time and innocent people have lost their lives.

 

Research on your own (as I would suggest anyone to do in this instance) but coincidentally or not there is usually always a FEMA drill associated with these events. At 9/11 there was a FEMA "domestic terrorism" drill that was occurring in NYC for the exact same date that 9/11 occurred. For the Boston Marathon bombing there was also a FEMA "domestic terrorism" or "bomb" training being conducted in a library or building that was right across the street from one of the bomb sights. And yes, you guessed it, once again another FEMA drill on the day of Sandy Hook in Sandy Hook, it's purpose? Emergency Preparedness and active shooter training.

 

Again research if you would chose, but there are many pieces of evidence that suggest there was a "staging" effect at Sandy Hook. Many crisis actors, extras, etc. were brought in and signs could be witnessed that says "check in here" or "sign in here". Many of the interviews have proven to be shady at best and often times conflicting. Some have pointed to the use of crisis actors or other paid people who were interviewed or part of the plot. The one interview with the dad (Parker I believe) is the most disturbing of all, he is seen laughing and smiling before he realizes cameras are rolling then he appears to get "in character".

 

Others point to things such as the two unidentified men wearing camo and black who were seen leaving the scene (as mentioned previously in this thread) as well as the lack of emergency personnel or crisis responders entering the scene. It is also shady that they destroyed the school after the incident although it was newly constructed. There are just a lot of things that don't add up about the entire incident.

 

In Sandy Hook I feel like there probably were many lost lives, however, the motives and sequences of events may not be what we were led to believe. I feel like there was an agenda that was carried out by this incident and some elements of it may have been "staged" for media purposes (although there was still likely the unfortunate loss of life).

 

 

But again, please research the importance of FEMA "drills" as it relates to these incidents. More often than not there is a FEMA activity taking place on the days these types of events occur and that is a strange coincidence to me.

The thing that sticks out to me with the Sandy Hooks, Boston Bombing's, Aurora Colorado shootings, etc., is the notion that these have all been "drills" or "training exercises".

 

In talking with someone who was in the military for many years and involved in many black ops projects he says that many of these events happen, but they are "drills" that end up going "live". Whether it for training or other purposes who knows but he was firm in his belief that live drills are carried out all the time and innocent people have lost their lives.

 

Research on your own (as I would suggest anyone to do in this instance) but coincidentally or not there is usually always a FEMA drill associated with these events. At 9/11 there was a FEMA "domestic terrorism" drill that was occurring in NYC for the exact same date that 9/11 occurred. For the Boston Marathon bombing there was also a FEMA "domestic terrorism" or "bomb" training being conducted in a library or building that was right across the street from one of the bomb sights. And yes, you guessed it, once again another FEMA drill on the day of Sandy Hook in Sandy Hook, it's purpose? Emergency Preparedness and active shooter training.

 

Again research if you would chose, but there are many pieces of evidence that suggest there was a "staging" effect at Sandy Hook. Many crisis actors, extras, etc. were brought in and signs could be witnessed that says "check in here" or "sign in here". Many of the interviews have proven to be shady at best and often times conflicting. Some have pointed to the use of crisis actors or other paid people who were interviewed or part of the plot. The one interview with the dad (Parker I believe) is the most disturbing of all, he is seen laughing and smiling before he realizes cameras are rolling then he appears to get "in character".

 

Others point to things such as the two unidentified men wearing camo and black who were seen leaving the scene (as mentioned previously in this thread) as well as the lack of emergency personnel or crisis responders entering the scene. It is also shady that they destroyed the school after the incident although it was newly constructed. There are just a lot of things that don't add up about the entire incident.

 

In Sandy Hook I feel like there probably were many lost lives, however, the motives and sequences of events may not be what we were led to believe. I feel like there was an agenda that was carried out by this incident and some elements of it may have been "staged" for media purposes (although there was still likely the unfortunate loss of life).

 

 

But again, please research the importance of FEMA "drills" as it relates to these incidents. More often than not there is a FEMA activity taking place on the days these types of events occur and that is a strange coincidence to me.

 

Correlation doesn't equal causation. The fact is that there are these types of drills going on all the time all across the country. The fact that some have ocurred in coincidence with these types of attacks, does not mean anything other than the training and the attacks ocurred at the same time.

 

The biggest issue with calling Sandy Hook and other similar events a conspiracy, is what exactly would the government gain from killing so many innocent people?? If you look closely enough at any event like this, you will find unanswered questions, or things with no clear explanation. The desire to explain these questions is where these conspiray theories take root.

 

The biggest issue with calling Sandy Hook and other similar events a conspiracy, is what exactly would the government gain from killing so many innocent people?? If you look closely enough at any event like this, you will find unanswered questions, or things with no clear explanation. The desire to explain these questions is where these conspiray theories take root.

 

This

In 1986 my mother was the Red Cross director for Danville/Boyle County. They held a meeting with emergency response leaders about preparedness for a Natural Gas Line explosion crisis.

 

Within the next week a Texas Eastern Gas Line blew up within a quarter Mile of our farm on the Garland County side of the Dix River Bridge.

 

Based on the above theories and suspicions it was deliberately set to practice and drill readiness.

 

:ohbrother:

The Sandy Hook Hoax

 

 

The thing that sticks out to me with the Sandy Hooks, Boston Bombing's, Aurora Colorado shootings, etc., is the notion that these have all been "drills" or "training exercises".

 

In talking with someone who was in the military for many years and involved in many black ops projects he says that many of these events happen, but they are "drills" that end up going "live". Whether it for training or other purposes who knows but he was firm in his belief that live drills are carried out all the time and innocent people have lost their lives.

 

Research on your own (as I would suggest anyone to do in this instance) but coincidentally or not there is usually always a FEMA drill associated with these events. At 9/11 there was a FEMA "domestic terrorism" drill that was occurring in NYC for the exact same date that 9/11 occurred. For the Boston Marathon bombing there was also a FEMA "domestic terrorism" or "bomb" training being conducted in a library or building that was right across the street from one of the bomb sights. And yes, you guessed it, once again another FEMA drill on the day of Sandy Hook in Sandy Hook, it's purpose? Emergency Preparedness and active shooter training.

 

Again research if you would chose, but there are many pieces of evidence that suggest there was a "staging" effect at Sandy Hook. Many crisis actors, extras, etc. were brought in and signs could be witnessed that says "check in here" or "sign in here". Many of the interviews have proven to be shady at best and often times conflicting. Some have pointed to the use of crisis actors or other paid people who were interviewed or part of the plot. The one interview with the dad (Parker I believe) is the most disturbing of all, he is seen laughing and smiling before he realizes cameras are rolling then he appears to get "in character".

 

Others point to things such as the two unidentified men wearing camo and black who were seen leaving the scene (as mentioned previously in this thread) as well as the lack of emergency personnel or crisis responders entering the scene. It is also shady that they destroyed the school after the incident although it was newly constructed. There are just a lot of things that don't add up about the entire incident.

 

In Sandy Hook I feel like there probably were many lost lives, however, the motives and sequences of events may not be what we were led to believe. I feel like there was an agenda that was carried out by this incident and some elements of it may have been "staged" for media purposes (although there was still likely the unfortunate loss of life).

 

 

But again, please research the importance of FEMA "drills" as it relates to these incidents. More often than not there is a FEMA activity taking place on the days these types of events occur and that is a strange coincidence to me.

With all due respect, dolamite, this is crazy talk. Crisis actors?

 

So your theory is that all of these events were training exercises gone wrong? You can find what ever narrative you want to support your skepticism. For every inkling of evidence to support Sandy Hook or other national tragedy being staged, there is about 5,000,000 times the evidence that would say it is not.

I haven't seen a training exercise go this wrong since ED-209 took that guy out in Robocop

Why wouldn't the fifth estate run with these "guy in camo and black" narratives? Let me guess, the media is in on it as well.