June 23, 201610 yr I notice this graph leaves off the nation of Switzerland, I wonder why? Per conversations I have had with PepRock and posts of many on this site, Switzerland is unique from the rest of Europe in that when soldiers end their enlistments, they keep their service rifle (ie assault weapon) so in Switzerland, unlike the rest of Europe, assault weapons are quite plentiful in the public. With such weapons so plentiful, what is Switzerland's gun homicide rate? Is it close to gun plentiful America's high rate or more along the rest of gun oppressed Europe's rate? That answer could be very telling into whether gun control actually saves lives or simply spreads good feelings amongst an ignorant populace while killers move to other tools for murder. My graphs include Switzerland. Their gun homicide rate per 100,000 is 0.23. Switzerland is unique in that they have the highest guns per capita in Europe at 45.7 (Germany is at 30.3 and the US is at 112.6, for comparison) due in part, as you said, to their militia style defense system. I would consider this a fairly highly regulated system of gun-ownership in that one needs to be not only trained in the military but are accountable to the military for their gun. Otherwise, it seems they have a licensing and regulatory system for private purchases, much like elsewhere.
June 23, 201610 yr Take out the gang-on-gang, inner city crime - that really no power group cares about and the US is not really any different. There 2 or more Americas - and we all know it. And, no one in power really cares.
June 23, 201610 yr Take out the gang-on-gang, inner city crime - that really no power group cares about and the US is not really any different. There 2 or more Americas - and we all know it. And, no one in power really cares. You think gang violence is a strictly American thing?
June 23, 201610 yr You think gang violence is a strictly American thing? Per Americans I know who went to University in Europe, taught at University in Europe and worked other jobs in Europe, gang violence is far more common in the US than in Europe. Europe has gangs but not near the degree as in the US, per those I mention. The one I know the best and talk to the most often got his Ph.D. from Cambridge, did post doctorial research at some institution in Germany I cannot remember, has taught a few years in Nice, France, dates a girl just outside of Paris, France, has second cousins in Austria and Hungry he visits every summer and he often goes to or lectures at numerous lectures in Europe. I would say his experience across Europe is the most exhaustive of anyone I know and why I take him for his word in regards to gang violence in the US versus Europe.
June 23, 201610 yr There is no defending either of those charts. It's a disgrace, and we have a problem that some refuse to try to remedy.
June 23, 201610 yr There is no defending either of those charts. It's a disgrace' date=' and we have a problem that some refuse to try to remedy.[/quote'] Agreed but what about the thread in question? France and now Germany two gun free zones attacked. What can we learn from it?
June 23, 201610 yr There is no defending either of those charts. It's a disgrace, and we have a problem that some refuse to try to remedy. This.
June 23, 201610 yr Agreed but what about the thread in question? France and now Germany two gun free zones attacked. What can we learn from it? For every one time it happens in one country (attacks in a "gun free" zone), it happens here exponentially more?
June 23, 201610 yr Why do we refuse to look at any other possible motive aside from the attacks occurring in a "gun free zone"?? There's almost always a deeper connection to the targets....as well as the fact that most of these mass shooters don't expect to live anyway. There has never been a definitve conclusion of causality....that is the fact that the target being "gun free" is purely the motive.
June 23, 201610 yr Why do we refuse to look at any other possible motive aside from the attacks occurring in a "gun free zone"?? There's almost always a deeper connection to the targets....as well as the fact that most of these mass shooters don't expect to live anyway. There has never been a definitve conclusion of causality....that is the fact that the target being "gun free" is purely the motive. Because quite frankly, that's the easy out.
June 23, 201610 yr You think gang violence is a strictly American thing? No - gangs come with institutionalized poverty though. Most of Europe does not have institutionalized poverty and ghettos to the extent of the US, or even more pronounced - the Latin and South America countries. But that may change with the influx of ME people. The non-mainstream reports indicate the gunner today spoke 'broken Germain'. Does not sound like a native. Run this same chart against Valenzuela, Brazil, Honduras and the conclusion of how bad the US would be different. In these counties the poorest live in cities on dirt as their floor with scrap steel for a roof. It was hard to see in Sao Paulo. I did not run into similar conditions in Luxembourg or Brussels.
June 23, 201610 yr Do restrictive gun laws help in Latin and South America? Do Stricter Gun Laws Reduce Gun Violence in Latin America? Closing paragraph: "In short, a regulated approach may reduce gun ownership and have an impact on petty crime and casual violence, but gun legislation alone will do little to reign in the criminal groups responsible for the rampant violence in the region's most murderous areas." As is obvious from the statistics from Chicago that this conclusion would almost certainly apply to the US - where we have our share of specific 'murderous areas'.
June 23, 201610 yr Agreed but what about the thread in question? France and now Germany two gun free zones attacked. What can we learn from it? Same thing we have learned about gun free zones in the US. Build it and they will come.
June 23, 201610 yr Why do we refuse to look at any other possible motive aside from the attacks occurring in a "gun free zone"?? There's almost always a deeper connection to the targets....as well as the fact that most of these mass shooters don't expect to live anyway. There has never been a definitve conclusion of causality....that is the fact that the target being "gun free" is purely the motive. Your mixing your questions up. Gun free zones provide the where. Why is a totally different question.
June 23, 201610 yr Because quite frankly, that's the easy out. As is blaming the weapon instead of looking for the root cause.
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