June 23, 201610 yr Hmmm - doesn't Germany have some of the strictest guns laws in the world?! http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/50-injured-germany-movie-theater-shooting-article-1.2685046 German police shot and killed a gun-toting man Thursday after the masked attacker stormed a movie theater and opened fire, police said. None of the moviegoers was shot, although as many as 25 people may have been injured by tear gas, local media reported. Police spokesman Bernd Hochstaedter said the armed man had entered the Kinopolis movie theater in the small western town of Viernheim, about 45 miles south of Frankfurt, around 3 p.m. The attacker, clad with an ammunition belt and carrying a weapon, fired at least one shot in the air before barricading himself inside, police said. Initial media reports suggested that as many as 50 people had been injured inside the movie theater, although police insisted that only the attacker, who was killed by cops, was shot. Some people in the theater may have been hurt by teargas, German media reported, although it is unclear if the irritating fumes were unleashed by police or the gunman. Officials have not released the attacker’s identity or detailed his possible motive. The movie theater is part of the town’s shopping center, which houses about 100 other businesses, according to CNN. More than 20,000 people visit the massive complex every day. Last month, the U.S. State Department warned American travelers to avoid trips to Europe this summer, citing terror risks.
June 23, 201610 yr But, the police had to shoot an armed man at a theater in Germany. It happens in Germany and it happens in the US, nothing we can do. :idunno: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html?_r=0
June 23, 201610 yr German gun laws are so strict they make California cringe...literally the impossible happened.
June 23, 201610 yr Goes to show that criminals will always find a way to break the law, no matter how strict the laws are.
June 23, 201610 yr Goes to show that criminals will always find a way to break the law, no matter how strict the laws are. If those screaming for stricter gun control and the restricting of certain guns would understand this.
June 23, 201610 yr That is one sad graph. [ATTACH]56609[/ATTACH] But, the police had to shoot an armed man at a theater in Germany. It happens in Germany and it happens in the US, nothing we can do. :idunno: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html?_r=0
June 23, 201610 yr That is one sad graph. One thing misleading about this graph is that it only shows gun homicides, not total homicides. In Europe, killers just resort to different weapons. If you were to look at total homicides per capita, the US will still lead the way (go USA) but the gap would shrink due to guns often not being available to European killers. Killers will always be killers, their availability of weapons is the only variable.
June 23, 201610 yr One thing misleading about this graph is that it only shows gun homicides, not total homicides. In Europe, killers just resort to different weapons. If you were to look at total homicides per capita, the US will still lead the way (go USA) but the gap would shrink due to guns often not being available to European killers. Killers will always be killers, their availability of weapons is the only variable. I've recreated this chart to address your complaint. Is this one still misleading?
June 23, 201610 yr Still a most distressing picture. The price we choose to pay. It's the punches you don't see coming that knock you out, tough lesson for France and now Germany believing it couldn't happen to them, the false sense of hope that they were safe and protected.
June 23, 201610 yr I've recreated this chart to address your complaint. Is this one still misleading? [ATTACH]56616[/ATTACH] Not misleading at all. It just shows my point that if you only want to look at gun homicides alone, of course the US is going to be way ahead, guns are more common in the US. But when you look at ALL homicides, while the US is still in the lead, the gap or differences is decidedly closer showing that even in Europe where guns are difficult to obtain, murderers still find a way to kill.
June 23, 201610 yr That is one sad graph. I notice this graph leaves off the nation of Switzerland, I wonder why? Per conversations I have had with PepRock and posts of many on this site, Switzerland is unique from the rest of Europe in that when soldiers end their enlistments, they keep their service rifle (ie assault weapon) so in Switzerland, unlike the rest of Europe, assault weapons are quite plentiful in the public. With such weapons so plentiful, what is Switzerland's gun homicide rate? Is it close to gun plentiful America's high rate or more along the rest of gun oppressed Europe's rate? That answer could be very telling into whether gun control actually saves lives or simply spreads good feelings amongst an ignorant populace while killers move to other tools for murder.
June 23, 201610 yr Not misleading at all. It just shows my point that if you only want to look at gun homicides alone, of course the US is going to be way ahead, guns are more common in the US. But when you look at ALL homicides, while the US is still in the lead, the gap or differences is decidedly closer showing that even in Europe where guns are difficult to obtain, murderers still find a way to kill. It seems to me this is the crux of the argument made my the gun control side, which is that more guns means more gun violence and more violence overall. The opposing argument is often that guns don't have anything to do with it, but I don't think the numbers bear that out.
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