Effectiveness of state gun-control measures has nothing to do with whether a state is bordered by another state ... or isn't. That is as dumb of an argument as "ash trays also are weapons." Is Hawaii bound by national gun laws and executive orders as is every other state? Of course. Are there gun dealers and NRA chapters in Hawaii? Of course. The question is: What lessons are to be learned from Hawaii's low rate of gun deaths?

 

A bit of a rough assessment, don't you think? It is only dumb if gun laws are the problem. If people's behavior is the root of the problem, then it is spot on. A part of the nation that does not share the history and culture of the rest of the nation may not have the same behavioral problems that exist elsewhere. It's the reason comparing the US to European countries is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

 

As I have argued consistently in many threads, the problem is one of human behavior that starts in the heart and mind, therefore the solution must make the changes there. Gun legislation doesn't touch that. I think further gun legislation is like putting a political band-aid on a problem that is far more complex and whose root causes have nothing to do with gun laws. If you think that's "dumb," you are entitled to your opinion.

 

IMO, gun legislation will make politicians and some of their constituents feel better that they have "done something" but in the end, you will still have people willing to commit murder and doing so whenever they want. That's the solution that seems to lack sufficient thought, IMO.

A bit of a rough assessment, don't you think? It is only dumb if gun laws are the problem. If people's behavior is the root of the problem, then it is spot on. A part of the nation that does not share the history and culture of the rest of the nation may not have the same behavioral problems that exist elsewhere. It's the reason comparing the US to European countries is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

 

As I have argued consistently in many threads, the problem is one of human behavior that starts in the heart and mind, therefore the solution must make the changes there. Gun legislation doesn't touch that. I think further gun legislation is like putting a political band-aid on a problem that is far more complex and whose root causes have nothing to do with gun laws. If you think that's "dumb," you are entitled to your opinion.

 

IMO, gun legislation will make politicians and some of their constituents feel better that they have "done something" but in the end, you will still have people willing to commit murder and doing so whenever they want. That's the solution that seems to lack sufficient thought, IMO.

It's both a human behavior problem and a "hardware" problem. It's not one or the other. It's both.

How do you propose to address the problem rooted in human behavior?

I'm curious as to which countries don't have a "people problem" and thus have mass violence events. What can we learn from them?

You can't seem to grasp the concept that all countries are different. There aren't near the guns in other countries that are in this country. Our gang problems are worse, our drug abuse problem is worse, our culture is different, we have a larger population than most if not all of those countries. Yet, despite all that, this is still the greatest country in the world.

 

So, you agree we have a people problem, yet you want to blame the gun. Makes zero sense. I'm telling you, ban and confiscate all guns and the problem doesn't go away. Why is that so hard for you and some others on here to understand?

 

:lol: yep we have more guns so we have more deaths by gun.

 

You really think that death rate by gun will stay the same if all guns are banned? Come on man!

 

I don't advocate the confiscation of guns, but when we compare ourselves to other civilized nations we have a glaring issue. I guess the greatest country in the world is filled with an abnormal amount of gangbangers, druggies, and nuts that want to kill each other. Kind of makes you question the greatest nation in the world tag.

 

I'm really not arguing anything in this thread except those that want to act like other civilized nation aren't safer from gun violence.

:lol: yep we have more guns so we have more deaths by gun.

 

You really think that death rate by gun will stay the same if all guns are banned? Come on man!

 

I don't advocate the confiscation of guns, but when we compare ourselves to other civilized nations we have a glaring issue. I guess the greatest country in the world is filled with an abnormal amount of gangbangers, druggies, and nuts that want to kill each other. Kind of makes you question the greatest nation in the world tag.

 

I'm really not arguing anything in this thread except those that want to act like other civilized nation aren't safer from gun violence.

 

You can turn a blind eye all you want. I find it hilarious that you and the other's that think the gun is at fault completely ignore the fact that a few decades ago we had much more prolific guns available yet we didn't have these kind of problems. I find it both hilarious and sad that you will continue to vilify the object and not the actual problem. I find it alarming that you can't figure out that if we confiscated guns that we'd see bombings instead; a sick mind is going to find a way, just look at what goes on in the Middle East. That's coming here. Just watch.

 

Seems France and Germany have had recent shootings. Come on man, wake up! I think you listen too much to what the administration wants you to believe.

 

Deaths from mass public shootings where at least 15 people have been killed (1970 through March 20, 2016)

 

 

 

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Zero correlation between state homicide rate and state gun laws - The Washington Post

Post #2 by Habib must have been made up by the administration.

It sounds like some people feel we've devolved as a culture into our own worst stereotypes, all across the board. I'm not sure how I feel about that, honestly.

Post #2 by Habib must have been made up by the administration.

 

I wouldn't be surprised.

I wouldn't be surprised.

 

The defense rests.:lol2:

The defense rests.:lol2:

 

That's what we all said a loooooong time ago.

 

For those of you who won't even consider revisiting gun laws in order to TRY to provide more safety to our citizens, you are, IMO, okay with these slaughters as long as you get to keep all your guns. It's pitiful and disgusting.

 

Are you willing to give up alcohol and bring in a new Prohibition in the HOPE it will reign in DUI deaths? If not, is that pitiful and disgusting?

So he's been to all the tourist spots, that are generally scrubbed of "unpleasant" things. Did your friend hang out much in the 'hood?

 

He LIVED in Europe for over a decade between getting his Ph.D and doing post doctorial research. How did you get that he was in all the tourist spots from that. As a student, I believe be mentioned living in some "interesting" parts of Europe. I don't get your assumption.

Germans are 10 times safer than you or me' date=' so it is about being safe and not just feeling safe. To ignore that is ignoring the facts.[/quote']

 

And in your ultimate gun free Utopias, France and Germany, mass shooters accomplished their goals. It appears you struggle or rather don't want to understand that is nobody is ever 100% safe. Which is why I continue to ask you why you want less self defense rights for us? Were those French and Germans expendable because on the surface they are "safer" than us?