I'd love to see the actual numbers of how many of them really vote. Frankly, I bet it's way lower than you think.

 

Way lower. Welfare participants tend to be less educated and less connected, and certainly less politically aware. When we can barely get 50-60% of our whole population to vote, to think that group is turning out in droves and swinging elections is crazy. And when you consider the elderly make up a good chunk of those receiving some sort of assistance, and that group is largely conservative, the argument gets even weaker.

Way lower. Welfare participants tend to be less educated and less connected, and certainly less politically aware. When we can barely get 50-60% of our whole population to vote, to think that group is turning out in droves and swinging elections is crazy. And when you consider the elderly make up a good chunk of those receiving some sort of assistance, and that group is largely conservative, the argument gets even weaker.

 

Conservative but still votes democrat much more often than GOP. My grandmother was the most conservative person I knew, she questioned whether women should vote at all but when she did, she always pulled the lever for the dems. She also felt women should not drive which lead to humorous conversations.

I really could give a rip about the "welfare" vote. But I'd get behind anyone who would have a solid plan to reform the welfare system.

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy." Copied this from another thread. It was written over 200 years ago about the fall of the Athenian democracy.. Since we now have almost 50% of citizens on some form of government assistance I'm sure they will continue to vote for whom offers them the most from the treasury... Sad but true.

I really could give a rip about the "welfare" vote. But I'd get behind anyone who would have a solid plan to reform the welfare system.

I thought Clinton, the GOP House and GOP Senate passed legislation in 1996 "ending welfare as we know it." Serious question: What's changed in the past 19 years to necessitate yet another overhaul?

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy." Copied this from another thread. It was written over 200 years ago about the fall of the Athenian democracy.. Since we now have almost 50% of citizens on some form of government assistance I'm sure they will continue to vote for whom offers them the most from the treasury... Sad but true.

 

Since I draw a state retirement pension - and plan to draw Social Security in a couple of years - count me in that mix!

Nah... You would vote for Dems regardless..

Nah... You would vote for Dems regardless..

 

Usually, but not always.:thumb:

Besides,, social security and pensions ain't hand-outs... You earned them.

As to Commando's polarizing post, I think it has very little to do with race. But I pray that we all could agree that this country is in need of welfare reform. I see far more whites abusing the system than any other race. That's grass roots issues if you ask me.

 

The original question is about race and voting. How can the polarizing post not be about race when the whole conversation is about the black vote? He also said "minorities" in the post which implies a racial connotation to the sentiment. Intentional or not.

Edited June 11, 201511 yr by PurplePride92

I'd love to see the actual numbers of how many of them really vote. Frankly, I bet it's way lower than you think.

 

I've been meaning to say this as well. Excellent point.

I thought Clinton, the GOP House and GOP Senate passed legislation in 1996 "ending welfare as we know it." Serious question: What's changed in the past 19 years to necessitate yet another overhaul?

Question, what actually happened in the first overhaul?

It only took 9 posts before the name calling began so no, I don't think there will be any inroads made any time soon. Same thing with race relations.

It only took 9 posts before the name calling began so no, I don't think there will be any inroads made any time soon. Same thing with race relations.

 

#micdrop

As to Commando's polarizing post, I think it has very little to do with race. But I pray that we all could agree that this country is in need of welfare reform. I see far more whites abusing the system than any other race. That's grass roots issues if you ask me.

 

I can definitely agree we need reform. My first suggestion is that the administrative processes be streamlined to reduce redundancy and avenues for fraud.