I think that a lot of money spent on building new schools could be better spent on upgrading and adding on to older facilities. I am not even sure I can think of the last time they built a new high school in Jefferson County.

 

Sometimes, it's necessary to build a new school. I remember hearing that Brooks Elementary in northern Bullitt County had to have a new school built about decade ago, because the old one was full of asbestos, among several other structural problems.

 

I do in general agree with your position, but there are exceptions to the rule.

I've used this analogy before. Some school districts in the state drug test their students and don't allow them to participate in extracurricular activities if they test positive. That is a self imposed limitation on who can or can't play sports at their school, Would it be reasonable for them to then start demanding all other schools they compete against start drug testing so they are playing on a level playing field? Some schools also use more stringent academic eligibility requirement then the KHSAA mandates. Should all other schools be expected to follow suit to level the playing field.

Also when we build new schools in Kentucky why not look at building enough for expansion or shoot even cooperative efforts between the school districts. Given the fact that we have 120 counties that frankly don't all need to exist given the population of the state, some combining and streamlining of school systems (shoot even the counties themselves) could well be beneficial. To be fair this is me just throwing out other ideas. I think that a lot of money spent on building new schools could be better spent on upgrading and adding on to older facilities. I am not even sure I can think of the last time they built a new high school in Jefferson County.

 

I agree with this. Indiana and Illinois have consolidated a lot of school districts into one large school. In Kentucky we seem to split schools when they get "too large". In my opinion, Kentucky is unique due to Trinity and X. They are top 2 in size in the state and only 6 schools in the state have more than 1000 male students. The States that most consider top public football schools in the country do not have to play private schools to win championships or do not have private schools like T or X in the top classification. Alabama's and Georgia's top classes do not include any private schools. Arkansas, Tennessee, and Texas all have separate private and public playoffs. This is not possible in KY due to the number of private schools and the size of T and X. Ohio has a public/private argument every single year, but at least they have extremely large public schools and a large number of giant private schools that seem to share the championships. The JCPS answer to Trinity and X in Louisville is Male. The only school district in the state that was on the right track, Scott County, is about to split. The Trinity/X issue is not going to go away in KY. The decisions necessary to change the landscape in the largest class are school district decisions and school board's have to answer to the tax payers.

Bottom line is a kid from another distict can not come to my (public school) without a change of address via the KHSAA, or play at all if deemed a sports move....They can in a private school, actually there whole school can exist of transfers, out of district students, and sports moves if they so seem fit. Hence a unfair practice IMO, and to me if they want that right, they should be able to have it, and play each other. Its a choice they make. If they dont like that option go to your local school. I am sure my opinion is not popular among you, but nonetheless there are several who feel similar.

Bottom line is a kid from another distict can not come to my (public school) without a change of address via the KHSAA, or play at all if deemed a sports move....They can in a private school, actually there whole school can exist of transfers, out of district students, and sports moves if they so seem fit. Hence a unfair practice IMO, and to me if they want that right, they should be able to have it, and play each other. Its a choice they make. If they dont like that option go to your local school. I am sure my opinion is not popular among you, but nonetheless there are several who feel similar.

 

this is not correct. Not trying to start a contest but you cant just leave a public school & enroll in a private school & be eligible immediately without a bonafied change of address or vice versa (if you have Varsity participation in any KHSAA sport). KHSAA recognizes all transfers the same way, public to private or private to public. Yes, they could technically build an entire team from "transfers", but without a change of address, or meeting one of the other 10 stipulations listed on the transfer form if one of those are applicable is the only way to be deemed eligible @ your new school & they would have to sit out one year from their date of enrollment @ the new school.

Bottom line is a kid from another distict can not come to my (public school) without a change of address via the KHSAA, or play at all if deemed a sports move....They can in a private school, actually there whole school can exist of transfers, out of district students, and sports moves if they so seem fit. Hence a unfair practice IMO, and to me if they want that right, they should be able to have it, and play each other. Its a choice they make. If they dont like that option go to your local school. I am sure my opinion is not popular among you, but nonetheless there are several who feel similar.

Wow the misinformation in this post. It's so much easier to transfer from a private to public school AND play sports immediately it's not funny. Kids leave Trinity all the time on grounds of financial hardship and are eligible at a public school immediately. Mo change of address, nothing. Some no doubt are legitimate but some are strictly for playing reasons. There's no way that I know of for an athlete that has played varsity sports to transfer to a private school an be eligible immediately other then actually moving from a long distance away.

I stand corrected in parts of my post, but in general your entire enrollments are built from students who once where in a public school or at least lived in a public school district, they were in some way drawn into your enrollment, regardless of where they live. You guys were able to choose if they could attend, its just a different monster, and none of your facts or opinions will change my mind. I knew I would take a beating on here for my opinions, but it happens to the best of us. To me if you make a choice to be in a private school you should be just that a private entity, and whatever exclusions come with that would be your deciscions. I have always supported a split.

To be the best play the best and beat the best! Bring on T and X!

 

How has that worked out in the past?

 

The talent retention with the feasibility of winning titles, be it a conference title, would make participating programs better.

I stand corrected in parts of my post, but in general your entire enrollments are built from students who once where in a public school or at least lived in a public school district, they were in some way drawn, or recruited into your enrollment, regardless of where they live. You guys were able to choose if they could attend, its just a different monster, and none of your facts or opinions will change my mind. I knew I would take a beating on here for my opinions, but it happens to the best of us. To me if you make a choice to be in a private school you should be just that a private entity, and whatever exclusions come with that would be your deciscions. I have always supported a split.

 

When exactly does a public school gain ownership of a student? And since "stealing" a kid from a public school's home area seems to be an egregious sin of the private schools where do you weigh in on PUBLIC schools that take the best and brightest away from other schools? Schools like Manual and Male that actually have waiting lists and have no set resides district but rather fill their student population by "poaching" students from other school's resides areas?

 

And for the record EVERY student in a private school lives in a public school district and their parents (if they own their home) pay taxes to support schools that they don't use. I have no kids, I own my home and I pay property taxes to support public schools.

 

And for the statement I bolded, I'm glad that your not going to let anything pesky like facts sway your opinion. At least you're honest.

How has that worked out in the past?

 

There it is. The old we can't beat 'em so get rid of 'em ploy. What an inspiring message to instill in young people.

I don't care for public schools doing it either to be honest. I actually am a purist of the old neigborhood schools. I think when this country was strong kids went to schools in their area, the community took pride in the community and the grounds, if there was a problem folks pitched in and made a change and solved the problem. I know that money and budget and economy have made it hard to run the smaller schools and consolidation has been a needed means to an end. But this is what to me is the best for kids, the country, and education, and we should all try to get back to it. Jefferson county schools are a good example of what happens when you pull all the good, best and brightest kids into certain schools and leave behind the rest, you end up with some pretty bad schools.

There it is. The old we can't beat 'em so get rid of 'em ploy. What an inspiring message to instill in young people.

 

You mean the young people you SELECT to be at your school?

I don't care for public schools doing it either to be honest. I actually am a purist of the old neigborhood schools. I think when this country was strong kids went to schools in their area, the community took pride in the community and the grounds, if there was a problem folks pitched in and made a change and solved the problem. I know that money and budget and economy have made it hard to run the smaller schools and consolidation has been a needed means to an end. But this is what to me is the best for kids, the country, and education, and we should all try to get back to it. Jefferson county schools are a good example of what happens when you pull all the good, best and brightest kids into certain schools and leave behind the rest, you end up with some pretty bad schools.

 

So then after you separate the private schools you would separate public schools with open enrollments, then after that you would separate schools in consolidated districts, where would it end? There can NEVER be a completely level playing field, even among public schools.

 

To be honest there's a lot to this post of yours that I agree with. I do believe that overall the public schools were better when they were neighborhood based. The PUBLIC school that I attended has become one of the causalities of that system and it saddens me when I remember what it used to be compared to what it is now.

You mean the young people you SELECT to be at your school?

 

Anyone who applies at Trinity and pays is admitted, there is no selection but don't let anything like facts cut into a good rant.

 

How about you answer a question I have posed several times in this thread, how would you select the schools that were allowed to compete for this title. Which 16 public schools meet your criteria for inclusion into the new exclusive public school 6A championship?

 

And no, I mean the young people that are unfortunate enough to be a a school where people like you instill in them the impression that they have no shot at competing against the private schools so we need to get rid of them. To places that have coaches that go out of their way to schedule inferior opponents to inflate their own won/loss record only to flame out in the playoffs where they have no control over who they have to play so they can't duck anyone.

 

To be perfectly frank it's thinking like this that really turned me to the side of private schools.

So then after you separate the private schools you would separate public schools with open enrollments, then after that you would separate schools in consolidated districts, where would it end? There can NEVER be a completely level playing field, even among public schools.

 

To be honest there's a lot to this post of yours that I agree with. I do believe that overall the public schools were better when they were neighborhood based. The PUBLIC school that I attended has become one of the causalities of that system and it saddens me when I remember what it used to be compared to what it is now.

 

I would probably stop at private schools. I agree never will be a completely level playing feild, But IMO seperation would be a good start.

 

As for what we agree on, imagine if all the resources at T and ST X were piped into the public schools in that area, wo what a difference that could be made. Imagine all the volunteer hours, and bright minds were spread out in that city what the communities would be like. Pipe dream I know but just imagine.