Maybe SK should just be in a class of their own, say 7A, that way they can ensure they bring home a tainted championship.....KHSAA stats for the last 8 years of 6A playoffs

 

2014 SK loses to Dixie (NKY School)

2013 SK loses to Butler (Louisville)

2012 SK loses to Scott County (Georgetown)

2011 SK loses to T (Louisville) 72-0 ouch

2010 SK loses to Ryle (NKY School)

2009 SK loses to X (Louisville)

2008 SK loses to T (Louisville) Championship game

2007 SK loses to Ryle (NKY School)

 

It seems to me that SK just loses to everybody...get over it

Please explain why then. Give it to us in detail. Also please explain why DeSales didn't rise up until recently and has played many tough games against schools in their division, why LexCath only has a few titles, why Owensboro Catholic hasn't done much, why Holy Cross in Louisville hasn't been relevant in over a decade and so on.

 

Of all the schools that are private in KY there are only 2 that most have a problem with in football. So please enlighten me.

 

It is a battle of quality numbers.

 

Along with tradition, strong coaching and great high school football players at T and X, they are also the 2 largest schools in the state. 6A is the only class that there is an enrollment disparity of more than 165 males.

 

1A - 52 - 188

2A - 200 - 315

3A - 315 - 420

4A - 421 - 527

5A - 529 - 694

6A - 726 - 1377

 

The 6A breakdown is as follows:

12 schools between 720 - 800. 8 schools between 800 - 900. 8 schools between 900 - 1000. 5 schools between 1100 - 1217. X and T are 1294 and 1377, respectively. Trinity has at least 477 more boys than 20 of the schools in 6A.

 

Interestingly enough, the difference is going to be greater when the new Lexington high school and the new Scott County high school if the KHSAA keeps the top class at 32 teams.

Disagree, Dixie would have beat them.

 

Disagree, for all the hype and the end of the day (or the season) Dixie was just another overhyped 6A from NKY team. Good but nothing special. They benefited from a bad district and soft non-district schedule. They would have finished last in the super district.

If Highlands were plugged into the NKY 6A district last year, I really think they wouldn't have had a game within 14 points until they made it to the finals.

 

Give Dixie their due, that was a good team.

It is a battle of quality numbers.

 

Along with tradition, strong coaching and great high school football players at T and X, they are also the 2 largest schools in the state. 6A is the only class that there is an enrollment disparity of more than 165 males.

 

1A - 52 - 188

2A - 200 - 315

3A - 315 - 420

4A - 421 - 527

5A - 529 - 694

6A - 726 - 1377

 

The 6A breakdown is as follows:

12 schools between 720 - 800. 8 schools between 800 - 900. 8 schools between 900 - 1000. 5 schools between 1100 - 1217. X and T are 1294 and 1377, respectively. Trinity has at least 477 more boys than 20 of the schools in 6A.

 

Interestingly enough, the difference is going to be greater when the new Lexington high school and the new Scott County high school if the KHSAA keeps the top class at 32 teams.

 

:deadhorse:

 

And Highlands is going to be playing a class up. They will by far be the smallest school in 5A. You want to bet against them?

 

I'll ask yet again, if size was such a huge factor (pun intended) why is Dunbar regularly one of the worst teams in 6A.

 

Lets go back to the 1970's before busing decimated the Jefferson County Schools. Trinity's enrollment was around 700. There were several schools just in Jefferson County that were bigger then they were and you know what Trinity still won a a lot.

:deadhorse:

 

And Highlands is going to be playing a class up. They will by far be the smallest school in 5A. You want to bet against them?

 

I'll ask yet again, if size was such a huge factor (pun intended) why is Dunbar regularly one of the worst teams in 6A.

 

Lets go back to the 1970's before busing decimated the Jefferson County Schools. Trinity's enrollment was around 700. There were several schools just in Jefferson County that were bigger then they were and you know what Trinity still won a a lot.

 

Is Dunbar all you have? They still have 260 more than Dunbar.

 

If Trinity still had 700, they would not be as dominant.

:deadhorse:

 

And Highlands is going to be playing a class up. They will by far be the smallest school in 5A. You want to bet against them?

 

I'll ask yet again, if size was such a huge factor (pun intended) why is Dunbar regularly one of the worst teams in 6A.

 

Lets go back to the 1970's before busing decimated the Jefferson County Schools. Trinity's enrollment was around 700. There were several schools just in Jefferson County that were bigger then they were and you know what Trinity still won a a lot.

 

It is also not completely about size, but if you don't think a school 1377 has an advantage over a school with 800, then why classify football at all. Maybe we should have the sweet 16 for football. The greatest show on turf.

Is Dunbar all you have? They still have 260 more than Dunbar.

 

If Trinity still had 700, they would not be as dominant.

 

I disagree.

 

I keep bringing up Dunbar because those of you fixated on size ignore the fact that Dunbar is the biggest school in 6A and yet they are regularly beaten by larger schools, they cant even win their district.

 

I keep bringing up Highlands because they regularly play and beat schools with much higher enrollments.

 

Maybe, just maybe instead of then incessant whining about how many students Trinity and X has the powers that be would be better served figuring out WHY the parents of 3000 young men opt to pay for tuition in addition to paying taxes to fund government schools.

I disagree.

 

I keep bringing up Dunbar because those of you fixated on size ignore the fact that Dunbar is the biggest school in 6A and yet they are regularly beaten by larger schools, they cant even win their district.

 

I keep bringing up Highlands because they regularly play and beat schools with much higher enrollments.

 

Maybe, just maybe instead of then incessant whining about how many students Trinity and X has the powers that be would be better served figuring out WHY the parents of 3000 young men opt to pay for tuition in addition to paying taxes to fund government schools.

 

If I lived in Louisville, there is no chance my kids would go to JCPS and spend hours on the bus. As stated earlier, the busing of kids all over is what benefited T, X and other private schools in Louisville.

 

From 1975 - 1996 the large Private schools won 13 championships. Public schools won 8.

 

Also, you may be right, but there is not a simple fixation on numbers. Private schools are fundamentally different than public schools in the way they get kids. How many advertising banners do you see for public schools on BGP? . How many counties and states are represented on the roster of T and X? Tradition has something to do with this, but it is naive to think that 1377 private school kids from all over is the same as 800 from 1 county.

 

And before you argue that the KHSAA rules are the same for all, you are right, but the way the schools are filled are fundamentally different.

 

Also, before I am accused. I am NOT a proponent of a separate championship for private schools. I AM a proponent of public schools getting better. The make up of Kentucky schools is advantageous to T/X because they are large fish in a small pond. They would not fare nearly as well in Ohio where there are many like schools.

Edited March 19, 201511 yr by Builder1214

If I lived in Louisville, there is no chance my kids would go to JCPS and spend hours on the bus. As stated earlier, the busing of kids all over is what benefited T, X and other private schools in Louisville.

 

From 1975 - 1996 the large Private schools won 13 championships. Public schools won 8.

 

Also, you may be right, but there is not a simple fixation on numbers. Private schools are fundamentally different than public schools in the way they get kids. How many advertising banners do you see for public schools on BGP? . How many counties and states are represented on the roster of T and X? Tradition has something to do with this, but it is naive to think that 1377 private school kids from all over is the same as 800 from 1 county.

 

And before you argue that the KHSAA rules are the same for all, you are right, but the way the schools are filled are fundamentally different.

 

Also, before I am accused. I am NOT a proponent of a separate championship for private schools. I AM a proponent of public schools getting better. The make up of Kentucky schools is advantageous to T/X because they are large fish in a small pond. They would not fare nearly as well in Ohio where there are many like schools.

 

Oh, I'd agree there then. They would win state far less often if they played in Ohio, but then Ohio football is generally a higher grade than Kentucky football.

 

I and others are just making the point that there is nothing wrong or unfair about what Trinity or St. X does.

Oh, I'd agree there then. They would win state far less often if they played in Ohio, but then Ohio football is generally a higher grade than Kentucky football.

 

I and others are just making the point that there is nothing wrong or unfair about what Trinity or St. X does.

 

I agree with you. Nothing wrong with what T and X do.

NEW Boone county schools, NEW Warren county schools, and the scattered enrollments in Jefferson County have all contributed to the Green Machine's success. Fayette county remains a mystery. I saw Tates Creek hand Trinity one of their more lopsided playoff losses. Lafayette beat Trinity at Trinity in 1979. Henry Clay has produced many talented teams.

 

At least some of the Fayette problems have been due to 'meddling' by school board members with the schools athletic programs. Other factors include a) superintendents that did not put emphasis on athletics or superintendents who seemed more focused on spreading money around to friends, b) a very strong emphasis on soccer and that pulls away talent that may have played football and c) maybe somewhat too much of a fixation on the rise of Lexington Catholic.

 

Henry Clay has been the most stable school with a solid coach. Bryan Station is rising and could really turn into a good long term program. The Fayette schools best runs were during the early bussing years when all of Jefferson County was reseting the landscape. Numerically they should do better - but I believe they lose some potential football skill position players to soccer. Soccer is big in the area.

 

And Highlands is going to be playing a class up. They will by far be the smallest school in 5A. You want to bet against them?

 

I'll ask yet again, if size was such a huge factor (pun intended) why is Dunbar regularly one of the worst teams in 6A.

 

Lets go back to the 1970's before busing decimated the Jefferson County Schools. Trinity's enrollment was around 700. There were several schools just in Jefferson County that were bigger then they were and you know what Trinity still won a a lot.

 

I believe one of the problems that exist is that schools do not get all the potential talent that is in their population. As noted - in Fayette soccer is big and some talent that could be on the football field is on the soccer field. Another sport that slightly overlaps football was hockey and hockey was strong in Fayette for a number of years. Obviously good hockey players are probably also good football players. Yet at Dunbar specifically, the football coaches would not work with the hockey programs to get those kids on the field. One of the many Dunbar coaches changed that a few years ago and picked up an 6'6" hockey player (whose brother played goalie for UK) his senior year. The player only played football his senior year and worked his way up to starting position due to injuries. Ultimately this player went to play college football at Thomas Moore. Getting the best athletes onto the field is (or was) just not an emphasis. You point on size relates to this. If you get all the good POTENTIAL players on the field - as X, T, H do you will have a better team. Of course, this can be difficult if only the coach is trying to do this - it takes overall support and a lot of has been lacking in the Fayette system.

Man, you didn't refute rjs4470's point at all...as a matter of fact it seems you missed the point entirely.

 

You said Male, Manual and Scott Co aren't winning titles (except for Scott Co last year, but I guess that doesn't count). Yes, you are essentially correct. rjs4470's point is, however...remove T and X, and then guess who starts winning most all the 6A titles? More than likely Male, Manual, maybe a Scott Co or someone else here and there. You seemed to completely gloss over this point. So you STILL have 2 or 3 schools dominating 6A, so then what? If Male and Manual won the next 15 out of 18 state titles, what's the difference? You would still have a very few select schools dominating. So do you split them off too?

 

It's NEVER going to be a completely level playing field. Somebody/school is ALWAYS going to have better players, better facilities, more money, better coaches, more kids, work harder, work longer, better attitudes, better school and community support...the list goes on.

 

My suggestion? Quit trying to change/rig the system against a few teams because they have had more success, and instead have your/the other schools RISE to the occasion and meet and beat the X's and T's of the world in the current system that isn't broken.

 

 

Anyone who thinks the 2 same teams should win 20 State Championships in 22 years is crazy. Bottom line..the playing field is not fair and never will be. I’m sure the alumni of X and T love the current system. I didn’t gloss over the point. Male, Manual and Scott co are good programs, but they are not on the same level of X and T year in and year out, if they were they would have more state championship appearances and titles. The system is broken!!! It only benefits 2 teams. There is no reason not to have a two tier system (Public & Private). Public schools systems can’t afford nutritionist, strength coaches, high paid head and assistant coaches..just can’t. I’m not hating on X & T…man they are the class of the field and great programs not just in football but most sports they are the ones to beat. Vast majority of public programs can’t even give them a good game..why do you think Trinity plays half their games outside Ky. One, it’s hard to get public schools to schedule them and the competition in state doesn’t really give them a look. If T can find games outside the Ky public school system so can the rest of the private schools. Let fix the problem.

Disagree, Dixie would have beat them.

 

50-50 proposition at best. No way anyone can say Dixie WOULD for sure have beat Highlands.

 

I saw both play. They both would have had advantages and disadvantages in a matchup. My opinion, in a one time, neutral field everyone healthy game, my money would have been on Highlands. But I wouldn't have bet a lot of money.