Other states have worked it out. The private schools are smart they would figure it out. Maybe it wont happen, but its a viable solution. All you raise is road blocks as your objection.

 

And why should it be the private schools burden to fix a 'problem' that only a few believe to exist? Especially when any 'solution' would be ten fold more problematic then the current situation. A 'Midwest Private School League'? Setting aside the difficulty of getting the schools in other states (where this 'problem' doesn't exist) to buy into such a scheme, can you imagine the travel costs? It's ridiculous to try and expel teams simply because they are successful. Are the top Colleges kicked out of their leagues simply for being 'too strong'? Neither St. X nor Trinity break the rules in any way. They just strive for excellence on the field.

How many state titles does Male and Manual have?

 

You're switching gears again. In a previous post you said the Male would lose to T & X eight out of 10 times if they played. It's not true. Male is almost .500 against X, and beats Trinity about 1/3 of the time. No the wins haven't been in state title games, but the fact is they can compete more with those 2 schools more often than not.

And why should it be the private schools burden to fix a 'problem' that only a few believe to exist? Especially when any 'solution' would be ten fold more problematic then the current situation. A 'Midwest Private School League'? Setting aside the difficulty of getting the schools in other states (where this 'problem' doesn't exist) to buy into such a scheme, can you imagine the travel costs? It's ridiculous to try and expel teams simply because they are successful. Are the top Colleges kicked out of their leagues simply for being 'too strong'? Neither St. X nor Trinity break the rules in any way. They just strive for excellence on the field.

 

Yep. I'm a public school guy, and I think this idea is just crazy. Again, many of the perceptions people have are just wrong. Facilities, coaches pay, etc are either just assumptions or just simply not true if you dig deeper. Aside from enrollment (which I admit is a big disparity in this case) most of the other "issues" raised, simply aren't true across the board. In all other areas the playing field is more level than people would like to believe.

Yep. I'm a public school guy, and I think this idea is just crazy. Again, many of the perceptions people have are just wrong. Facilities, coaches pay, etc are either just assumptions or just simply not true if you dig deeper. Aside from enrollment (which I admit is a big disparity in this case) most of the other "issues" raised, simply aren't true across the board. In all other areas the playing field is more level than people would like to believe.

 

Thank you. They do have bigger enrollment and that is an advantage, I can't deny that. However, it is not so large an advantage that they are unbeatable. Honestly, if I were to name their biggest advantage I'd say it's the school community. The annual St. X-Trinity game draws a massive crowd every year. Even when it looks like the game will be totally one-sided because both communities care so deeply for their team that they still show up in full force. If you look at the strongest public schools Mayfield, Highlands, Bowling Green, Male, Manual, etc you see the same thing. The support of the community is what makes a program consistently strong.

 

Chuckle, in my opinion that is.

Thank you. They do have bigger enrollment and that is an advantage, I can't deny that. However, it is not so large an advantage that they are unbeatable. Honestly, if I were to name their biggest advantage I'd say it's the school community. The annual St. X-Trinity game draws a massive crowd every year. Even when it looks like the game will be totally one-sided because both communities care so deeply for their team that they still show up in full force. If you look at the strongest public schools Mayfield, Highlands, Bowling Green, Male, Manual, etc you see the same thing. The support of the community is what makes a program consistently strong.

 

 

 

 

Chuckle, in my opinion that is.

 

 

At last we have a point of agreement. However, the community you reference is limited by who can overcome the economic barriers to participation. When you do that, you filter out some of the most heavy needs students and athletes there are.

 

No question those schools you mention have great community support and tradition. Kids have the benefit of parents and grandparents and extended family that are alumni and active in the school community. They have advanced nutrition and training resources available to them.

 

The public school student athlete is lucky if they have one parent. They are even luckier if that one parent shows up to their games. My own son had teammates that were completely unsupported by his parents. I've been to Lexington area schools for playoff games and was shocked at the lack of support for the home teams.

At last we have a point of agreement. However, the community you reference is limited by who can overcome the economic barriers to participation. When you do that, you filter out some of the most heavy needs students and athletes there are.

 

No question those schools you mention have great community support and tradition. Kids have the benefit of parents and grandparents and extended family that are alumni and active in the school community. They have advanced nutrition and training resources available to them.

 

The public school student athlete is lucky if they have one parent. They are even luckier if that one parent shows up to their games. My own son had teammates that were completely unsupported by his parents. I've been to Lexington area schools for playoff games and was shocked at the lack of support for the home teams.

 

Okay... y'know, mostly of the kids who go to Trinity aren't exactly upper class. I'd say maybe 10-15% at max fit that description. Everyone else is varying levels of middle class. I was one of the lower middle class students. I received financial aid (without being a part of any sports team), and my parent scrimped and saved to afford sending me there. There's even a 'Work Study' that allows students to assist the janitors after school for ten weeks to get a reduction in tuition. I did that for all four years and let me tell you, that program was never hurting for numbers. Year round there were at least twenty guys hard at work there.

 

Now, that said. How does having the support of parents, friends and family constitute an 'unfair' advantage to the point that these two teams need to be excluded? There is nothing that prevents a public school from forming a similar community, it's purely their choices that prevent any public school from having the same advantage.

Okay... y'know, mostly of the kids who go to Trinity aren't exactly upper class. I'd say maybe 10-15% at max fit that description. Everyone else is varying levels of middle class. I was one of the lower middle class students. I received financial aid (without being a part of any sports team), and my parent scrimped and saved to afford sending me there. There's even a 'Work Study' that allows students to assist the janitors after school for ten weeks to get a reduction in tuition. I did that for all four years and let me tell you, that program was never hurting for numbers. Year round there were at least twenty guys hard at work there.

 

Now, that said. How does having the support of parents, friends and family constitute an 'unfair' advantage to the point that these two teams need to be excluded? There is nothing that prevents a public school from forming a similar community, it's purely their choices that prevent any public school from having the same advantage.

 

Exactly! Is it an "advantage"? Yep. But, it's an advantage the community works at and create themselves. It's not given or "structured" so only they can have it. Nothing keeping any other school from doing the same but time and effort.

At last we have a point of agreement. However, the community you reference is limited by who can overcome the economic barriers to participation. When you do that, you filter out some of the most heavy needs students and athletes there are.

 

No question those schools you mention have great community support and tradition. Kids have the benefit of parents and grandparents and extended family that are alumni and active in the school community. They have advanced nutrition and training resources available to them.

 

The public school student athlete is lucky if they have one parent. They are even luckier if that one parent shows up to their games. My own son had teammates that were completely unsupported by his parents. I've been to Lexington area schools for playoff games and was shocked at the lack of support for the home teams.

 

Talk about over generalization. I almost find it offensive to say that the average public school athlete is lucky to have one parent. That's simply not true. Yes there are some kids from broken or bad homes, but do you really believe that public school athletes are typically unsupported?? My kids attend public school and I coach in a public school. Many kids are well supported.

 

You're switching gears again. In a previous post you said the Male would lose to T & X eight out of 10 times if they played. It's not true. Male is almost .500 against X, and beats Trinity about 1/3 of the time. No the wins haven't been in state title games, but the fact is they can compete more with those 2 schools more often than not.

 

Actually 1 was in 2000