And Justafan#88 you still haven't addressed my question/scenario after several replies to my posts.

 

T and X go away. Manual and Male become the "new" public school versions of what T and X are now and win 6A most every year the next 20 years the way T and X have the past 20 years or so. In your mind, is that "fair"? Would we then need to split Male and Manual off because they have unfair advantages and dominate the state? I'd really like to know your opinion on this.

Some 2014 State playoff scores, publics vs privates:

 

Murray 20 - Owensboro Catholic 9

Desales 14 - Murray 7

Mayfield 48 - Bethlehem 0

Russellville 39 - Kentucky Country Day 7

Russellville 47 - Holy Cross (Louisville) 18

Highlands 37 - CovCath 34 (also beat them badly in the regular season)

Highlands 47 - LexCath 26

Shelby Valley 37 - Lex Christian 26

 

Seems to me several of the public schools are doing quite well against their private competition. If T and X have the inherent advantages that being private schools supposedly bring...then why don't all the private schools take advantage of that, cause evidently they aren't. I mean, if it works in T's and X's favor, it should work in all of their favor, right?

 

Do T and X have some advantages? Sure. They are the two biggest schools by male enrollment, so the chances of them having a few more bodies that can play football are pretty good in comparison to their level of competition. BUT, that's not always the deciding factor either. Take 1A Mayfield for example (2A next year). They many times smash...SMASH many, much larger 5A and 6A schools most every year. So the theory that more is better, while a good rule of thumb, isn't always the deciding factor, so there have to be other things in place that a school...a public school, like Mayfield is doing. Same goes for Highlands. Throw BG in there as well. And I would argue that, if one places Trinity as the best football program in the state, Mayfield and Highlands could EASILY be 2-3, and arguments could be made for either to be #1 .

 

The problem is the argument keeps changing. First it's all privates have an advantage because of no boundaries, but then that gets countered with open enrollment. Then it's all about unfair, higher enrollment numbers, but then many instances are shown were smaller enrollment schools have tons of success against their bigger foes. Then they move to money, finance, facilities etc, but then many examples are given to counter that as well. Much of this argument is based on assumptions and perceptions, but when more concrete examples refuting those assumptions and perceptions are given, those refuting the arguments just get called crazy.

And Justafan#88 you still haven't addressed my question/scenario after several replies to my posts.

 

T and X go away. Manual and Male become the "new" public school versions of what T and X are now and win 6A most every year the next 20 years the way T and X have the past 20 years or so. In your mind, is that "fair"? Would we then need to split Male and Manual off because they have unfair advantages and dominate the state? I'd really like to know your opinion on this.

 

And what about when T and X win the "privates" title 20 out of 20 years? What then do you do to help the disadvantaged private schools?? Or is that somehow just better since they are now out of the publics hair?? You're not fixing the "problem" (one that I say doesn't exist) by just moving it someplace else. It's like cleaning your room by throwing everything under your bed. All the junk is still there, you're just not able to see it. It looks better, but really it's still there.

And what about when T and X win the "privates" title 20 out of 20 years? What then do you do to help the disadvantaged private schools?? Or is that somehow just better since they are now out of the publics hair?? You're not fixing the "problem" (one that I say doesn't exist) by just moving it someplace else. It's like cleaning your room by throwing everything under your bed. All the junk is still there, you're just not able to see it. It looks better, but really it's still there.

 

Heck, how about 99 out of the next 100 years more likely, but good point. I doubt, however, that is of concern to him, just as long as the privates are somewhere else. Don't know that as a fact, just a guess.

 

And what about when T and X win the "privates" title 20 out of 20 years? What then do you do to help the disadvantaged private schools?? Or is that somehow just better since they are now out of the publics hair?? You're not fixing the "problem" (one that I say doesn't exist) by just moving it someplace else. It's like cleaning your room by throwing everything under your bed. All the junk is still there, you're just not able to see it. It looks better, but really it's still there.

 

Well then you just put Trinity and St. X in their own class because in the end they are the only schools anyone is even complaining about.

 

Heck, how about 99 out of the next 100 years more likely, but good point. I doubt, however, that is of concern to him. Don't know that as a fact, just a guess.

 

Nope, because it only matters when public schools lose to private schools.

Some 2014 State playoff scores, publics vs privates:

 

Murray 20 - Owensboro Catholic 9

Desales 14 - Murray 7

Mayfield 48 - Bethlehem 0

Russellville 39 - Kentucky Country Day 7

Russellville 47 - Holy Cross (Louisville) 18

Highlands 37 - CovCath 34 (also beat them badly in the regular season)

Highlands 47 - LexCath 26

Shelby Valley 37 - Lex Christian 26

 

Seems to me several of the public schools are doing quite well against their private competition. If T and X have the inherent advantages that being private schools supposedly bring...then why don't all the private schools take advantage of that, cause evidently they aren't. I mean, if it works in T's and X's favor, it should work in all of their favor, right?

 

Do T and X have some advantages? Sure. They are the two biggest schools by male enrollment, so the chances of them having a few more bodies that can play football are pretty good in comparison to their level of competition. BUT, that's not always the deciding factor either. Take 1A Mayfield for example (2A next year). They many times smash...SMASH many, much larger 5A and 6A schools most every year. So the theory that more is better, while a good rule of thumb, isn't always the deciding factor, so there have to be other things in place that a school...a public school, like Mayfield is doing. Same goes for Highlands. Throw BG in there as well. And I would argue that, if one places Trinity as the best football program in the state, Mayfield and Highlands could EASILY be 2-3, and arguments could be made for either to be #1 .

 

Enrollment differences.

 

Murray 20 - Owensboro Catholic 9 - Enro Diff = 12 Boys OCath

Desales 14 - Murray 7 Enro Diff = 92 Boys Desales

Mayfield 48 - Bethlehem 0 Enro Diff = 44 Boys Mayfield

Russellville 39 - Kentucky Country Day 7 Enro Diff = 6 Boys Russellville

Russellville 47 - Holy Cross (Louisville) 18 Enro Diff = 4 Boys Russellville

Highlands 37 - CovCath 34 (also beat them badly in the regular season) Enro Diff = 68 Boys CovCath

Highlands 47 - LexCath 26 Enro Diff = 50 Boys Highlands

Shelby Valley 37 - Lex Christian 26 Enro Diff = 61 Boys Shelby Valley

 

Trinity vs. Boone (Smallest 6A) Enro Diff = 651 Boys Trinity

Trinity vs. GRC (Median 6A) Enro Diff = 506 Boys Trinity

Trinity vs. Scott County(Largest 6A Public) Enro Diff = 160 Boys Trinity

And Justafan#88 you still haven't addressed my question/scenario after several replies to my posts.

 

T and X go away. Manual and Male become the "new" public school versions of what T and X are now and win 6A most every year the next 20 years the way T and X have the past 20 years or so. In your mind, is that "fair"? Would we then need to split Male and Manual off because they have unfair advantages and dominate the state? I'd really like to know your opinion on this.

 

I guess because I don't believe Manual or Male are in the same league as X & T. Yes, they will beat the super 2 occassionally. But if Male and Manual play X & T 10 times I believe X & T win 8. Manual and Male have to content with some of the same contraints other public schools do. That atleast narrows the gap. If Male & Manual as public schools dominate 6A (which I don't think they will) that's fine with me atleast we are closer to comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. But I really don't think they will dominate the way X & T do...

And what about when T and X win the "privates" title 20 out of 20 years? What then do you do to help the disadvantaged private schools?? Or is that somehow just better since they are now out of the publics hair?? You're not fixing the "problem" (one that I say doesn't exist) by just moving it someplace else. It's like cleaning your room by throwing everything under your bed. All the junk is still there, you're just not able to see it. It looks better, but really it's still there.

 

You almost concede there is a problem.

Enrollment differences.

 

Murray 20 - Owensboro Catholic 9 - Enro Diff = 12 Boys OCath

Desales 14 - Murray 7 Enro Diff = 92 Boys Desales

Mayfield 48 - Bethlehem 0 Enro Diff = 44 Boys Mayfield

Russellville 39 - Kentucky Country Day 7 Enro Diff = 6 Boys Russellville

Russellville 47 - Holy Cross (Louisville) 18 Enro Diff = 4 Boys Russellville

Highlands 37 - CovCath 34 (also beat them badly in the regular season) Enro Diff = 68 Boys CovCath

Highlands 47 - LexCath 26 Enro Diff = 50 Boys Highlands

Shelby Valley 37 - Lex Christian 26 Enro Diff = 61 Boys Shelby Valley

 

Trinity vs. Boone (Smallest 6A) Enro Diff = 651 Boys Trinity

Trinity vs. GRC (Median 6A) Enro Diff = 506 Boys Trinity

Trinity vs. Scott County(Largest 6A Public) Enro Diff = 160 Boys Trinity

 

1A Mayfield - 215 male enrollment (2 year average)

Mayfield 37-McCraken Co 38 (McC County 769 last year male enrollment) 554 advantage Mc

 

Mayfield 21 - Graves Co 0 (Graves County 663 two year average male enrollment) 448 advantage Graves

 

Mayfield 48 - Marshall County 0 (Marshall County 669 two year average male enrollment) 454 advantage Marshall.

 

 

Huuuuummmmmmm.

1A Mayfield - 215 male enrollment (2 year average)

Mayfield 37-McCraken Co 38 (McC County 769 last year male enrollment) 554 advantage Mc

 

Mayfield 21 - Graves Co 0 (Graves County 663 two year average male enrollment) 448 advantage Graves

 

Mayfield 48 - Marshall County 0 (Marshall County 669 two year average male enrollment) 454 advantage Marshall.

 

 

Huuuuummmmmmm.

 

This proves Mayfield is better than 2 large public high schools.

Heck, how about 99 out of the next 100 years more likely, but good point. I doubt, however, that is of concern to him, just as long as the privates are somewhere else. Don't know that as a fact, just a guess.

 

T & X play by different rules financially and enrollment. Those two alone set them far above most public schools. Establish a Midwest private school region (1A-6A). Then the public school vs private school argument is mute. The rich love the status quo when it benefits them.

I guess because I don't believe Manual or Male are in the same league as X & T. Yes, they will beat the super 2 occassionally. But if Male and Manual play X & T 10 times I believe X & T win 8. Manual and Male have to content with some of the same contraints other public schools do. That atleast narrows the gap. If Male & Manual as public schools dominate 6A (which I don't think they will) that's fine with me atleast we are closer to comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. But I really don't think they will dominate the way X & T do...

 

Of course we don't know it as a fact, but I believe as do many others that there would be a more than fair chance that Male and Manual would year in and year out be the top dogs, with another school here and there throwing their hat into the ring...really no different than it is now, just the names of the schools would change.

This proves Mayfield is better than 2 large public high schools.

 

Proves enrollment isn't always the deciding factor...which is what the point you were trying to make with your post. Those schools have 2 and almost 3 times the number of boys enrolled. If it were ALL about the numbers those teams should be steamrolling Mayfield every year...and they don't. The reverse is usually true.

I guess because I don't believe Manual or Male are in the same league as X & T. Yes, they will beat the super 2 occassionally. But if Male and Manual play X & T 10 times I believe X & T win 8. Manual and Male have to content with some of the same contraints other public schools do. That atleast narrows the gap. If Male & Manual as public schools dominate 6A (which I don't think they will) that's fine with me atleast we are closer to comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges. But I really don't think they will dominate the way X & T do...

 

Want to take a guess at what Male's record is vs X?? How about 11 wins vs 14 losses the last 25 times they've played. They are 4-8 vs Trinity during the same time period. Not a winning record, but quite a ways from losing 8 out of every 10. I'd definitely say they win more than occasionally. Now in fairness, Manual hasn't been as competitive. But still, the arguments you've made don't quite hold up to the actual facts. I know what the perception is, but it's not quite reality.