The fact is Scott..Manual..and Male are not winning state titles every year. Those are the facts. Hey, if you think 20+ titles in 22 years by the same two teams is a fair system so be it. That’s your opinion. If you don’t think state titles are important you must be the only one. Why do you think KHSAA move Trinity out of the super district…$$$$. Almost ensures that Trinity will play St. X in the 6A championship game most years. What’s so wrong with having a private system and public system???? I’m sure most private school systems like the current system. Smaller private schools (Holy cross..etc) would simply play other smaller private schools

 

Again, I ask the question, is how is it better?? Trinity and X will still win the private title most years. How is that fair for the rest of the privates?? We hear constant complaining about today's society and how "everyone gets a trophy". But yet we want to manipulate the system to "give everyone a chance".

 

So lets create a public vs private. What then do we do about Highlands?? They've won many titles as of late. Should we create a special division for them too, to give everyone else a shot?? No one seems to care when a public dominates, but when a private does, it's a problem. For the record I'm a public school guy, and I never considered a private school for my kids.

Again, I ask the question, is how is it better?? Trinity and X will still win the private title most years. How is that fair for the rest of the privates?? We hear constant complaining about today's society and how "everyone gets a trophy". But yet we want to manipulate the system to "give everyone a chance".

 

So lets create a public vs private. What then do we do about Highlands?? They've won many titles as of late. Should we create a special division for them too, to give everyone else a shot?? No one seems to care when a public dominates, but when a private does, it's a problem. For the record I'm a public school guy, and I never considered a private school for my kids.

 

As I explained in my earlier post. Agree there are not enough private schools in the state per division to create a public and private system. But it could work if a midwest private region was created. I can assure you X and T will not win every year. T already participates out of state.

How has that worked out in the past?

 

The talent retention with the feasibility of winning titles, be it a conference title, would make participating programs better.

 

 

Pretty sure SK gave X a game in their scrimmage last year could have been tied up 14 to 14 in the final seconds.

As I explained in my earlier post. Agree there are not enough private schools in the state per division to create a public and private system. But it could work if a midwest private region was created. I can assure you X and T will not win every year. T already participates out of state.

 

Why don't they join GCL and see how many titles they would have. They would be on the wrong side of the wins and losses and crying about fairness. We have to make sure the chest pumping continues for teams that have an obvious advanatage. How dare someone create this thread!

Just give everyone a participation ribbon and a juice box.

 

I was going to post that yesterday.

As I explained in my earlier post. Agree there are not enough private schools in the state per division to create a public and private system. But it could work if a midwest private region was created. I can assure you X and T will not win every year. T already participates out of state.

 

So we've got to get other states involved...who's going to manage and run it. How do you convince someone like Moeller to give up their affiliation with their state to compete for a Midwest Region title instead of an Ohio State title?? I'm not sure how we can get others to help us fix a problem only Kentucky has.

So we've got to get other states involved...who's going to manage and run it. How do you convince someone like Moeller to give up their affiliation with their state to compete for a Midwest Region title instead of an Ohio State title?? I'm not sure how we can get others to help us fix a problem only Kentucky has.

 

That's a good point...IDK. But I don't think KY is the only state struggling with this issue. If we are we should be looking at those states that have figured it out for help. But good point.

The fact is Scott..Manual..and Male are not winning state titles every year. Those are the facts. Hey, if you think 20+ titles in 22 years by the same two teams is a fair system so be it. That’s your opinion. If you don’t think state titles are important you must be the only one. Why do you think KHSAA move Trinity out of the super district…$$$$. Almost ensures that Trinity will play St. X in the 6A championship game most years. What’s so wrong with having a private system and public system???? I’m sure most private school systems like the current system. Smaller private schools (Holy cross..etc) would simply play other smaller private schools

 

Check again. The way the districts are aligned for the playoffs insures that Trinity and X CAN'T meet in the championship game.

Why don't they join GCL and see how many titles they would have. They would be on the wrong side of the wins and losses and crying about fairness. We have to make sure the chest pumping continues for teams that have an obvious advanatage. How dare someone create this thread!

 

Why should Trinity or X be the ones to change? If any of the schools that have gotten their knickers all twisted over this feel strongly enough maybe THEY should leave the KHSAA and form their own independent association.

So what then happens when Male, Manual, or Scott county (or some other school) dominates and wins 10 out of the next 12 titles?? High school sports in much more than just winning state championships, and no one's life has been ruined or altered because they didn't win the state title. You pull all the privates out, and guess what happens? Trinity or X still wins the "privates" title 9 out of 10 years (frankly that would probably be 10 out of 10 years). Then what do you do so the smaller private schools have a chance to win a state title or rectify the unfairness, which honestly would probably be even worse. But I guess that wouldn't matter since they wouldn't be beating up on the publics anymore, which at the big school level will still be dominated by 2 or 3 schools. High School sports and state titles AREN'T the most important aspect of your high school life. If a high school state championship is the highlight of your life, I'd argue you haven't lived a full life.

 

The fact is Scott..Manual..and Male are not winning state titles every year. Those are the facts. Hey, if you think 20+ titles in 22 years by the same two teams is a fair system so be it. That’s your opinion. If you don’t think state titles are important you must be the only one. Why do you think KHSAA move Trinity out of the super district…$$$$. Almost ensures that Trinity will play St. X in the 6A championship game most years. What’s so wrong with having a private system and public system???? I’m sure most private school systems like the current system. Smaller private schools (Holy cross..etc) would simply play other smaller private schools

 

Man, you didn't refute rjs4470's point at all...as a matter of fact it seems you missed the point entirely.

 

You said Male, Manual and Scott Co aren't winning titles (except for Scott Co last year, but I guess that doesn't count). Yes, you are essentially correct. rjs4470's point is, however...remove T and X, and then guess who starts winning most all the 6A titles? More than likely Male, Manual, maybe a Scott Co or someone else here and there. You seemed to completely gloss over this point. So you STILL have 2 or 3 schools dominating 6A, so then what? If Male and Manual won the next 15 out of 18 state titles, what's the difference? You would still have a very few select schools dominating. So do you split them off too?

 

It's NEVER going to be a completely level playing field. Somebody/school is ALWAYS going to have better players, better facilities, more money, better coaches, more kids, work harder, work longer, better attitudes, better school and community support...the list goes on.

 

My suggestion? Quit trying to change/rig the system against a few teams because they have had more success, and instead have your/the other schools RISE to the occasion and meet and beat the X's and T's of the world in the current system that isn't broken.

Why should Trinity or X be the ones to change? If any of the schools that have gotten their knickers all twisted over this feel strongly enough maybe THEY should leave the KHSAA and form their own independent association.

 

I couldn't agree more. I think a lot of the problem here is the belief that T and X are only good because they are cheating, recruiting, or in some other way beating the system. And while they aren't limited to any borders, they still have to provide some sort of benefit, otherwise people wouldn't choose them. Some of it may be athletics, but in many cases it's education, religion or some combination of those. Bottom line you still have to coach and train those kids. Just getting them in the building doesn't win them titles. In no other aspect of our lives do we kick the most successful out just so others can compete. Again, I say sports and state titles are not the most important aspect of high school life. Much of the world isn't a level playing field, and you've got to learn how to deal with that at some point in time.

Man, you didn't refute rjs4470's point at all...as a matter of fact it seems you missed the point entirely.

 

You said Male, Manual and Scott Co aren't winning titles (except for Scott Co last year, but I guess that doesn't count). Yes, you are essentially correct. rjs4470's point is, however...remove T and X, and then guess who starts winning most all the 6A titles? More than likely Male, Manual, maybe a Scott Co or someone else here and there. You seemed to completely gloss over this point. So you STILL have 2 or 3 schools dominating 6A, so then what? If Male and Manual won the next 15 out of 18 state titles, what's the difference? You would still have a very few select schools dominating. So do you split them off too?

 

It's NEVER going to be a completely level playing field. Somebody/school is ALWAYS going to have better players, better facilities, more money, better coaches, more kids, work harder, work longer, better attitudes, better school and community support...the list goes on.

 

My suggestion? Quit trying to change/rig the system against a few teams because they have had more success, and instead have your/the other schools RISE to the occasion and meet and beat the X's and T's of the world in the current system that isn't broken.

 

Keep living in fantasy land. The field is not even close to level and everyone knows it. Keep bumping the chest and spouting off on how many tainted state championships you win. That is what is really important.

Keep living in fantasy land. The field is not even close to level and everyone knows it. Keep bumping the chest and spouting off on how many tainted state championships you win. That is what is really important.

 

Funny. Public school guy you are talking to here who didn't even attend high school in KY and has no kids. I guess that makes me about as unbiased as it comes. Next argument please.

Why don't they join GCL and see how many titles they would have. They would be on the wrong side of the wins and losses and crying about fairness. We have to make sure the chest pumping continues for teams that have an obvious advanatage. How dare someone create this thread!

 

St. X and Trinity can give the GCL schools a run for their money and often play them. However if memory serves, Louisville St. X loses to the Cincinnati St. X more often than they win by a large margin. That has not dulled KY St. X's enthusiasm for the match-up in the slightest. Note that this is not a game they have to play. They chose to keep coming back despite the losing record, because they value the game. They value strong competition, and they would never 'cry about fairness'.

 

If Trinity or St. X loses a well-called game then the blame only lies with them, and they don't pretend otherwise.

Keep living in fantasy land. The field is not even close to level and everyone knows it. Keep bumping the chest and spouting off on how many tainted state championships you win. That is what is really important.

 

Really. Why exactly are they tainted?