Serious question.

 

70% of our membership thought NewCath would win the game in the prediction thread and the contest thread was similar.

 

So I ask again, did Covington Catholic out-coach Newport Central Catholic?

CovCath, WITHOUT question, out-played the Breds.

 

BTW, are we eligible for a one-time only profanity laden post exemption? I sure could of used mine last night.

CovCath' date=' WITHOUT question, out-played the Breds. BTW, are we eligible for a one-time only profanity laden post exemption? I sure could of used mine last night.[/quote']

 

I don't think you can afford it.

No, I really don't think they did..I think that NCC has been told for some time by the media and different polls that they were #1, well CCH never bought into that. Sometime being #2 is an advantage,,I do believe for the same outcome to be prevented NCC will have to make some changes and I would believe that the NCC staff are aware of that...............No sense of having a size advantage if you aren't using it....

NCC didn't get outcoached.

 

They simply didnt handle Covcath's pressure or defensive intensity well. The Colonels were very physical and it caused Newcath to miss shots around the rim that they normally convert.

 

After re watching the film, I also felt Covcath was very patient on offense and took good shots. They never seemed to get rushed in their half court sets.

It's hard for me to believe that Coach Dawn did not have his team prepared for anything the Colonels showed. I don't always buy into the out coached deal. It seems like every time a team loses now days all you hear is well he was out coached. I would like to see some examples of where the Newcath staff was out coached! Hell yes it happens but in this particular game I say both coaches were well prepared weeks in advance and hey just because you lose to a terrific basketball team does not mean you were out coached! With great coaches like these two guys they work even harder heading into a big game than you could imagine. Did not coach k just lose 2 straight before beating Louisville!

I was not sure how the Colonels would do against NCC and their size. The Colonels played very well and made the shots that counted. NCC made a run, CovCath regrouped and finished the game at the end.

 

Both coaches are excellent coaches and these two teams should meet again and hopefully the same results.

 

NCC out coached, No way. NCC outplayed Absolutely!!!!

It's hard for me to believe that Coach Dawn did not have his team prepared for anything the Colonels showed. I don't always buy into the out coached deal. It seems like every time a team loses now days all you hear is well he was out coached. I would like to see some examples of where the Newcath staff was out coached! Hell yes it happens but in this particular game I say both coaches were well prepared weeks in advance and hey just because you lose to a terrific basketball team does not mean you were out coached! With great coaches like these two guys they work even harder heading into a big game than you could imagine. Did not coach k just lose 2 straight before beating Louisville!

 

 

 

My general feeling as well re: outcoached.

I didn't get to this titanic struggle between these two teams, so can't comment on this particular game.

 

But, on an overall coaching in the last 2 years when Dawn took over.

I know you can't go on player talent alone....but. Who had most talented team last year? Which team has the most talent this year? I'd have to say NCC both years.

Dawn is a really good coach. But if he doesn't win it this year then its fair to say he hasn't coached up the talent correctly. CCH has been getting it done from a mindset starting at day 1 in the offseason. Maybe its more fair to say that the CCH program is "out coaching" the NCC program.

Who do you think would of won this game if you switched coaching staffs 6-1-14?

I was not sure how the Colonels would do against NCC and their size. The Colonels played very well and made the shots that counted. NCC made a run, CovCath regrouped and finished the game at the end.

 

Both coaches are excellent coaches and these two teams should meet again and hopefully the same results.

 

NCC out coached, No way. NCC outplayed Absolutely!!!!

 

 

Agree with you BlueColonel. Not even sure why this thread was started. Is there a Dawn-Hater out there?

After seeing NCC a couple times I just don't think they are near as good as predicted earlier in the year. It just seems they can never put anyone away when they have their foot in their throats.

In no way is CovCath exactly "heads and shoulders" above NewCath in the talent department, or even the coaching department, so before I do any comparisons I'd like to establish that these comments are not meant to indicate that one team is so completely superior to the other.

 

NewCath losing does not all of the sudden suggest that they are weak, or not worth the discussion of being a top 10 team in the state.

 

They still are very much relevant, and depending on who they're playing can find themselves having the necessary proper attributes to continue being victorious with other state powers.

 

Team performance, team personalities, approaches, and matchups have a lot to do with how teams fair against each other, and no two convergences are exactly the same.

 

CovCath lost to Knott County Central for example, but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibilities that NewCath could have a better showing with them. Or NewCath only lost to Ballard by 2, but who knows how things would go if the Colonels would play them? These are all hypothetical, but various team chemistries against each other can, and do have a large effect on outcomes.

 

Weyer's foul trouble and Pangallo's injury weren't the only things that contributed to NCC's loss, but you could certainly point to them as huge reasons. Take 2/3 of the bulk of their typical scoring and rhythm away, and that's going to have a major effect.

 

With that said, CovCath right out of the gate brought a more feisty lively conditioned never say die TEAM confident energy to the game that didn't seem as nearly present with NewCath, establishing early and ever present throughout, an unspoken statement that indicated how it was going to be, and that there was going to be no backing down.

 

You never got the impression that they felt inferior, or were going to cower to the hype that NCC were mightier and unstoppable. CovCath knows that they're just as talented and were not going to let what the critics say stand in their way of demonstrating that.

 

Some teams, however talented (Holmes for example) can "sometimes" lack a mental toughness to give it their all for an entire 32 minutes, and can subject themselves to lapses if they hold an early lead, and then slide back into a comfort zone and a false sense of security, which was wonderfully demonstrated by jumping out to a 16-1 lead and then settling for a 7 point deficit entering into halftime against Cooper.

 

NewCath when playing perhaps a lesser team, or not as mentally tough as the Colonels, can get into a rhythm that demonstrates their excellence, putting other teams at a disadvantage early making it difficult for their opponent to establish a flow of their own to adequately compete with them.

 

CovCath is mentally fine tuned and spirited to go along with their talent to play as a unified TEAM for the entire game, never letting off the peddle.

 

I wouldn't ever suggest that NewCath doesn't have a fine tradition of a winning mentality, but CovCath has a certain level headed, sound minded winner's mentality schooled into them through generations of tradition that helps them as a team establish a self-identity that fuels their belief that every contest that they enter is winnable, and that losing is not an option, and a mental toughness and certain sorta smarts, (that might through simple human nature make other teams relax when ahead, or cower when behind), that helps them see that there's no relaxing until the final horn sounds, and that no opponent provides too big of an obstacle to overcome, even if they were to find themselves down in a game. They always stay focused and fight through it.

 

Ruthsatz is definitely a great coach. Mix him with the already established traditional winner's mentality of CovCath, and the school spirit shown by the Crazies, and he already has potential greatness to start with.

 

He's a great fit for CovCath because what he as a coach must emphasize in game psychology, attitude, and mental toughness he starts with the advantage of feeding this to kids already schooled with this sorta mindset, and he just simply has the job to reinforce it to those who easily digest it through past traditional training. I doubt that it's something that he has a constant struggle with to have to keep reminding them of, but to just keep fine tuned and in focus.

 

Ruthsatz is certainly one strong reason behind having his Colonels prepared, but I feel that it's an all inclusive historical CovCath spiritied tradition, and of course their current talent pool that brings it all together to produce a chemistry of excellence.

 

NewCath also very much has these similar type competitive traditions, but before this contest with the Colonels they just came off of 4 straight lopsided victories with teams that didn't offer them much resistance but helped them psychologically enter the game feeling pretty mighty considering their recent stellar performances, while CovCath just came off of a loss with Moeller who although they beat them, gave them great preparation against a team that constantly reminded them to exert their energy, and to turn it up a few notches. The Colonels definitely learned from that loss and was physically and mentally prepared. Kinda like swinging a baseball bat with a heavy donut and stepping up to the plate prepared to face the fastest of pitchers. The Colonels were ready, and with that preparedness immediately took NewCath out of their game.

I didn't get to this titanic struggle between these two teams, so can't comment on this particular game.

 

But, on an overall coaching in the last 2 years when Dawn took over.

I know you can't go on player talent alone....but. Who had most talented team last year? Which team has the most talent this year? I'd have to say NCC both years.

Dawn is a really good coach. But if he doesn't win it this year then its fair to say he hasn't coached up the talent correctly. CCH has been getting it done from a mindset starting at day 1 in the offseason. Maybe its more fair to say that the CCH program is "out coaching" the NCC program.

Who do you think would of won this game if you switched coaching staffs 6-1-14?

 

I have not seen enough to be an authority but here is what it looks like to me from a distance. NCC seems to have all their talent in their starting 5 and there is a drop off. If one of their starters is hurt or in foul trouble, it seems to have a big impact on them. If I were NCC, I would be working on more depth and getting more out of the bench every night so when they are needed in a big game they flow right in.

Ron Dawn has been a "Stud" for over three decades, from the intensity, his court side demeanor, the weight lifting, etc... But, I have left the BOK Center now twice in the last 12 months, thinking the man has been out coached by Mr Ruthsatz. The first outing he tried to slow tempo but didn't go inside the entire game. I think Mcdonald only touched the 4-6 times that night. Soft is what comes to my mind on the Friday night game.

 

The good news is both teams have time to make adjustments, hopefully we will be entertained with another round in March!

I think the term excellent or great coach is way over used. I think there are a lot of good or adequate coaches. They win with talent, they lose when they don't have it. They are good to the kids and make them keep on the school work. But, very few develop talent and make kids better. Very few adjust game plans and styles, from year to year or game to game. And even less make good in game decisions. I did not watch the game Friday night, so it is hard for me to say how much coaching played a part in the outcome. But, I have no problem stating that in my opinion Coach Ruthsatz is one of a handful of truly outstanding coaches in the state. Did he out coach, coach Dawn on this particular night, I don't know, for sure. But, I do know which I would prefer if I started a team and it would be coach Ruthsatz.