February 3, 201412 yr True, but let's take a look at some others... Manning: 11-12 Brady: 18-7 Big Ben: 10-4 Eli: 8-3 Montana: 16-7 Elway: 14-7 Bradshaw: 14-5 Marino: 8-10 Kelly: 9-8 Favre: 13-11 Good stats. Many people forget that Elway was 0-3 in Super Bowls, all of them blowouts, until he won his last two seasons and salvaged his legacy. Montana will always be number one in my mind, everyone else is playing for second.
February 3, 201412 yr Good stats. Many people forget that Elway was 0-3 in Super Bowls, all of them blowouts, until he won his last two seasons and salvaged his legacy. Montana will always be number one in my mind, everyone else is playing for second. As of right now, Montana is #1. If Brady can find a way to win another ring, I could see the argument being made for him, but as of now, complete agreement. Montana is clearly #1.
February 3, 201412 yr Everyone brings up Montana never lost a Superbowl or Brady winning his first 3 as greatest Superbowl QB's...Bradshaw 4-0 in Superbowls also but he never gets any love...what up wit dat? He has more 300 yard passing Superbowls (2) than Brady and as many as Montana. Higher total Passer rating in Superbowls than Brady 112 to 93, Montana's is 127 partly due to no INTS in a SB. Let's give the old Blond Bomber his Due!!! Bradshaw needs to be in the discussion as one of the top 2 on the list of the best SB QBs ever. At Best, Brady could get to 3rd but no higher...
February 3, 201412 yr Safety wasn't. Fumbles weren't. Kickoff return for a TD wasn't. Really the picks weren't on Peyton. Those picks were the result of the D lineman hitting his arm while he was throwing. Still say Eli is the best QB in the manning family. Been to the SB two times and winning both with a lot less talent around him. Peyton? One of the best ever, without a doubt.
February 3, 201412 yr Really the picks weren't on Peyton. Those picks were the result of the D lineman hitting his arm while he was throwing. Still say Eli is the best QB in the manning family. Been to the SB two times and winning both with a lot less talent around him. Peyton? One of the best ever, without a doubt. The first pick was absolutely on Manning. He overthrew the receiver.
February 3, 201412 yr Is Peyton becoming the Wilt Chamberlain of Football, best player of his era but seems to always come up short at the end.
February 3, 201412 yr I'll chime in to say this: All this talk about Manning slights the Seahawks. They played tremendously well and whipped the Broncos in every aspect of the game. If you only listened to the media you would think the Broncos would have won if it weren't for the play of Manning. That is absurd.
February 3, 201412 yr I felt all along the Seahawks would win. 24-14 or somewhere in that range. All the wise guys and metric people would tell you that was an easy game to pick. When you look at the greatest defenses in recent memory: Seahawks, Ravens, Bucaneers, Bears, etc. those teams all won in blowouts. I thought the most important tidbit I heard leading up to the game and why many were giving the Seahawks a decided advantage was because of the Broncos having no edge pass rusher that could get to Wilson or hold containment. Not having Von Miller and the snafu with Elvis Dumerville was HUGE. Harvin had two huge runs to the outside and Wilson could easily escape and move the pocket. The Seahawk defense is built to stop pocket passers and their offense is built to move the ball on teams that can't contain.
February 3, 201412 yr Told ya all so. I've been saying since Week 1 Seattle was the best in the league, and almost everyone on here was too busy slobbering over Peyton Manning and the Broncos to realize greatness when they saw it. Congrats to Hangman and all Seattle fans. I can vouch for UKMustangFan as I distinctly recall him praising Seattle from Day 1 of the season. Good call. :thumb:
February 3, 201412 yr It does, however, boil down to a career-long series of failures as the favored team in critical situations. That counts too. I can't argue that he has lost twelve playoff games- facts are facts. Let's keep listing those facts, though; Peyton Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
February 3, 201412 yr True, but let's take a look at some others... Manning: 11-12 Brady: 18-7 Big Ben: 10-4 Eli: 8-3 Montana: 16-7 Elway: 14-7 Bradshaw: 14-5 Marino: 8-10 Kelly: 9-8 Favre: 13-11 Did you catch the piece on Grantland saying a QB should get credit for an extra win every year they had a Bye in the 1st round b/c they were already in round 2? I had never thought of it and now I agree with the premise. Didn't see that. Makes sense on the surface... It looks like using this premise that Peyton would be credited for 5 additional playoff wins as his team received byes in 1999, 2005, 2007, 2009, and 2013. This would put him up to 16-12. Still not great but looks better on paper. That being said in a one game situation anything could happen and although Peyton's teams would likely be favored had they had to play a 1st round game they just as easily could have lost, and perhaps his record would be even worse than it is currently.
February 3, 201412 yr Q: In baseball, specifically Moneyball, they learned that a walk is as good as a hit. ”He gets on Base!” We have not learned that in football. I am admittedly a Peyton Manning fan, and I get sick of hearing about his miserable playoff record. So I thought — why is not making the playoffs at all almost better for a QBs legacy than losing in Round 2 after going 13-3? Earning a first round bye should be considered just as good as winning a wild-card game — the result is the same. And not making the playoffs should be just considered just as bad as losing a wild-card or any other playoff game. Better to have loved and lost right? Ok, so when you figure missed playoffs and first round byes as losses and wins respectively, you get a TRUE PLAYOFF WIN percentage.3 Quarterback Playoff Record Byes (W’s)/No Playoffs (L’s) True Playoff W-L True Playoff W% Tom Brady 18-7 7-1 25-8 0.758 Joe Montana 16-7 8-2 24-9 0.727 Joe Flacco 9-4 1-0 10-4 0.714 Troy Aikman 11-4 4-4 15-8 0.652 Ben Roethlisberger 10-4 3-3 13-7 0.650 Steve Young 8-6 5-2 13-8 0.619 Eli Manning 8-3 1-3 9-6 0.600 John Elway 14-7 7-6 21-13 0.618 Jim Kelly 9-8 5-3 14-11 0.560 Aaron Rodgers 5-4 1-1 6-5 0.545 Peyton Manning 10-11 6-2 16-13 0.552 Donovan McNabb 9-7 3-4 12-11 0.522 Brett Favre 13-11 4-7 17-18 0.486 Drew Brees 6-5 2-6 8-11 0.421 Dan Marino 8-10 4-6 12-16 0.429 Phil Simms 6-4 2-5 8-9 0.471 Warren Moon 3-7 1-7 4-14 0.222 It is interesting what happens when you tell the whole story! Why don’t we use this stat? —Micah Kormylo, Dallas SG: That’s an early contender for Mailbag Email of the Year. You’re right — why don’t playoff byes ever get factored into playoff record? Even if we just said, “Brady is 18-7 in the playoffs with seven byes,” that information is so much more enlightening than “18-7.” But the concept of “true playoff percentage” is really good. And simple. Good work, Micah. I’m dedicating this next email in your honor.
February 3, 201412 yr Q: In baseball, specifically Moneyball, they learned that a walk is as good as a hit. ”He gets on Base!” We have not learned that in football. I am admittedly a Peyton Manning fan, and I get sick of hearing about his miserable playoff record. So I thought — why is not making the playoffs at all almost better for a QBs legacy than losing in Round 2 after going 13-3? Earning a first round bye should be considered just as good as winning a wild-card game — the result is the same. And not making the playoffs should be just considered just as bad as losing a wild-card or any other playoff game. Better to have loved and lost right? Ok, so when you figure missed playoffs and first round byes as losses and wins respectively, you get a TRUE PLAYOFF WIN percentage.3 Quarterback Playoff Record Byes (W’s)/No Playoffs (L’s) True Playoff W-L True Playoff W% Tom Brady 18-7 7-1 25-8 0.758 Joe Montana 16-7 8-2 24-9 0.727 Joe Flacco 9-4 1-0 10-4 0.714 Troy Aikman 11-4 4-4 15-8 0.652 Ben Roethlisberger 10-4 3-3 13-7 0.650 Steve Young 8-6 5-2 13-8 0.619 Eli Manning 8-3 1-3 9-6 0.600 John Elway 14-7 7-6 21-13 0.618 Jim Kelly 9-8 5-3 14-11 0.560 Aaron Rodgers 5-4 1-1 6-5 0.545 Peyton Manning 10-11 6-2 16-13 0.552 Donovan McNabb 9-7 3-4 12-11 0.522 Brett Favre 13-11 4-7 17-18 0.486 Drew Brees 6-5 2-6 8-11 0.421 Dan Marino 8-10 4-6 12-16 0.429 Phil Simms 6-4 2-5 8-9 0.471 Warren Moon 3-7 1-7 4-14 0.222 It is interesting what happens when you tell the whole story! Why don’t we use this stat? —Micah Kormylo, Dallas SG: That’s an early contender for Mailbag Email of the Year. You’re right — why don’t playoff byes ever get factored into playoff record? Even if we just said, “Brady is 18-7 in the playoffs with seven byes,” that information is so much more enlightening than “18-7.” But the concept of “true playoff percentage” is really good. And simple. Good work, Micah. I’m dedicating this next email in your honor. Terry Bradshaw 14-5, Steelers received 2 byes (they were only used a few years during his career) but would have qualified for one under current rules would have received 7 byes...giving him a Net 21-9 record With Expanded playoffs it would seem as if the 70's Steelers could have won 3 or 4 more games
February 3, 201412 yr Thanks guys... I've never felt such a level of accomplishment for a feat I had literally nothing to do with. I'm blowing my anonymous cover, but who cares? Here's a picture of me and my wife before the game. Wonder if that's what ANYONE thought I looked like? :lol2:
February 4, 201412 yr Thanks guys... I've never felt such a level of accomplishment for a feat I had literally nothing to do with. I'm blowing my anonymous cover, but who cares? Here's a picture of me and my wife before the game. Wonder if that's what ANYONE thought I looked like? :lol2: I thought you were a male
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