The advantage is in the preparation that the private grade schools give their student/athletes. Brossart and NCC combined have a total of about 10-12 feeder parishes that they draw students from. The combined population of which is much smaller than the population that attends the public middle schools that feed the public high schools in Campbell Co, Highlands, Newport, Bellevue and Dayton. However, each of these grade schools have very well run athletic programs and develop their players from the third grade on. Some of these grade schools have less than 100 students total in grades 1-8 yet they still field teams and develop players.

 

When these students come together at the high school level their is tremendous competition for limited spots on the high school teams and the talent runs deep.

 

There is no comparison between the private grade school athletics and the public grade school programs.

 

Neither of these two teams recruit their athletes! Neither team has a player that is from out of district or that is a product of public middle schools.

 

I think the above sums it up perfectly as to why some of the "A" parochial schools are so successful. Its all in the feeder systems .

I believe that one of the advantages held by the smaller private schools is the coordinated effort to run all feeder school programs the same, using the same terminology, drills, offenses, defenses, etc. The mandate comes from the top (the high school head coach) as to what he or she wants to have taught. In some of the larger public or county schools in many instances there is so much competition between the schools that individual agendas are put ahead of the program, creating power strugles between the grade school, middle school and high school programs. In order for a high school to be successful all of the feeder schools must be on the same page when it comes to preparing the young athletes both fundamentally and in terms of x's and o's.

 

Just My Opinion

 

While this may be true elsewhere, its not true in the CCH Catholic School league. The only mandate from Coach L is that there be no zone defense unless its a trapping zone (ie no standing around in a 2-3 zone and not teaching D). I think you see the benefits of that once the boys get to their respective high schools (CCH, HC, SHDHS).

 

Other than that, its free reign for the coaching staffs.

I believe that one of the advantages held by the smaller private schools is the coordinated effort to run all feeder school programs the same, using the same terminology, drills, offenses, defenses, etc. The mandate comes from the top (the high school head coach) as to what he or she wants to have taught. In some of the larger public or county schools in many instances there is so much competition between the schools that individual agendas are put ahead of the program, creating power strugles between the grade school, middle school and high school programs. In order for a high school to be successful all of the feeder schools must be on the same page when it comes to preparing the young athletes both fundamentally and in terms of x's and o's.

 

Just My Opinion

 

You're joking with this post, right??????????? The EXACT OPPOSITE is true!!!! Due to the competition between most private grade schools in NKY, other than an emphasis on teaching fundimentals; nothing is scripted or shared. One of the big advantages of the public schools are the facts you've stated above. Come to a NKY Diocesean Tournament sometime and tell me the teams are doing this----"I believe that one of the advantages held by the smaller private schools is the coordinated effort to run all feeder school programs the same, using the same terminology, drills, offenses, defenses, etc." You couldn't be further off Base, especially with the smaller "A" privates in NKY!!!!!!!! :fight:

There is a rumor floating around that BB brought some athletes from their feeder schools to the first round of the MCIT. They supposedly provided transportation, a meal, and admission to the game. If thats not recruiting I dont know what is.

Im sure the "booster program' paid for all of this and not the school.

Not a rumor but a substantiated fact, twenty-two of them in fact, and last year and the year before we took them to the Cintas Center. You forgot to mention that we also provide them with spiritwear and allow them to play occasional Freshmen game prelim games.

 

These are our kids from our feeder grade schools being taken to a Brossart basketball game in hopes that they will choose to become Brossart Mustangs in the future. Recruiting our own kids? Sure is! It is perfectly legal. What's the problem???

 

The publics would probably do the same thing if the kids in their programs had to make a choice among three high schools as ours do. Our efforts are simple attempts to keep them at home.

The kids reading this are probably wondering where their "dinner" is - it was actually a lunch sized package of Pringles and a can of Pepsi-cola.

 

Also I should be so lucky to have things like this paid for by our "boosters." It comes out of our fund-raising monies. Would you like to buy a Christmas Wreath or some Valentine's Day Avon Products???

 

I guess that those on the outside looking in are always going to try to find fault. It frustrates me because we do run a clean program, yet are still always suspected of foul play. The grass is always going to be greener on the other side of the fence.

I'd welcome anyone taking a shot at our program to compare all of the little things (website, media guide, game broadcasts, T-Shirts, Sweatshirts, promotions such as that being discussed, etc..) and big things like work ethic, coaching staff, and preparation and maybe then you would discover why we are successful instead of merely writing it off to recruiting. :fight:

 

Incidentally, whoever posted that Derek Rhoden was a "public school" kid, also failed to mention that he was also a member of St. Mary Parish who chose to come to Brossart for his high school.

Gee, I wonder why no one is complaining about Pikeville and Danville’s success at being in the All "A" Classics Academic Finals for what is looks like three of the last four years (maybe more?). Surely with that kind of success they must be "R word" because surely no school is that good to be in that many championships without "R word". I even heard that they do extra work after school, and really study hard, but of course they must get tons of extras from the boosters and the like, because we all know that they can't be really that good from just good old hard work and support from their school, parents, communities, and others.......

 

 

Really, congratulation to both schools for showing what really is important for their student’s and their communities.....It shows with hard work, all can compete.... :thumb:

 

From a parent who also volunteers his time being a judge during the Governors Cup....way to go Danville and Pikeville and to all the schools who competed in the Academic All “A” Tournament. :thumb:

 

Too bad more parents don't fight for a better education for their children, instead of better fields etc. for the sports teams........... :cry: :cry:

Some food for thought. The all A is dominated by private school simply because many of the more talented teams in the all A are private... deal with it. In the large tournament at Rupp I believe in the last 30 something years... only 1 championship was won by a private school... do you see the private schools making excuses and crying to the school board to demand separation? -- Or do they go back to the drawing board and work harder.

The Brossart Mustangs Boys Varsity/JV Basketball Program is made up of seventeen, home grown athletes who each came from one of our six district feeder parishes. There is not a recruit, move-in, or transfer among them.

 

Each played in the Campbell County Parochial Basketball League when they were in grade school.

 

Period!

 

No recruits here - I can't speak for the others.

 

And it shouldn't matter! If a family wants to send their kid to a school like Brossart more power to them. You can not deny the benefits of a catholic education and the discipline that surrounds that education. Which by the way is another reason these schools compete better. Their players tend to me more discipline and put the time in it takes to be great.

. Their players tend to me more discipline and put the time in it takes to be great.

 

 

Look, while I am a MOST avid supporter of unified competition between public and private, don't make ridiculous sterotypical statements as if they are facts. What you in fact are saying is "Private school kids have more discipline and put in more time than public school kids." That is utterly ridiculous!! Flawed logic based on untrue opinion is, simply put, not worth the time it took to read it. To blame the failures of public school programs on mythical foul play by the privates is simply hiding from the truth, but so is denying altogether that there are clear advantages to "open enrollment" in both private AND public cases. Creating the MYTH in your own mind that private school kids somehow "outwork" public school kids is one thing (self delusion being the right of everyone) , stating it as a primary reason for a particular group's success or failure is simply grand standing and chest thumping. Sounds good, but has no basis in truth. How many public school practices have you been to? Never mind, I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

Look, while I am a MOST avid supporter of unified competition between public and private, don't make ridiculous sterotypical statements as if they are facts. What you in fact are saying is "Private school kids have more discipline and put in more time than public school kids." That is utterly ridiculous!! Flawed logic based on untrue opinion is, simply put, not worth the time it took to read it. To blame the failures of public school programs on mythical foul play by the privates is simply hiding from the truth, but so is denying altogether that there are clear advantages to "open enrollment" in both private AND public cases. Creating the MYTH in your own mind that private school kids somehow "outwork" public school kids is one thing (self delusion being the right of everyone) , stating it as a primary reason for a particular group's success or failure is simply grand standing and chest thumping. Sounds good, but has no basis in truth. How many public school practices have you been to? Never mind, I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

 

"Tend to be" doeas not mean in all instances. And I will stand by that fact that they tend to be. That does not mean "all" and that does not mean that the public schools do not work hard and are not disciplined because many are. I said "Tend to be" (And you also must remember we are discussing All A schools). And if that upsets you I am sorry. But IMO and through my experiences and observations it is true. By the way what is the answer? I am dying to hear it!!

"Tend to be" doeas not mean in all instances. And I will stand by that fact that they tend to be. That does not mean "all" and that does not mean that the public schools do not work hard and are not disciplined because many are. I said "Tend to be" (And you also must remember we are discussing All A schools). And if that upsets you I am sorry. But IMO and through my experiences and observations it is true. By the way what is the answer? I am dying to hear it!!

 

No, they don't even "tend to be." Your statement was off base, acknowledge it and move on. If privates "tend to" work harder, why do T and X dominate in football but are only mediocre in basketball? Do the publics "tend to" work harder in the BBall Sweet 16? Or do T and X football players just "tend to" work harder than their BBall players? The answer is none of the above. Privates have many things that make them great (not being bound by KERA comes to mind) but having some sort of better "inner fire" or "work ethic" is not amongst them.

RickyP, correct me if I am wrong, but open enrollment is worthless when it comes to athletic eligibility unless there is an "official" address change with the (both) parents moving also.

 

That is true but the rule applies evenly to both private and public. My point is that open enrollment schools have the big advantage. I have been saying that for months and no one has shown me any advantage for private schools over a public school with open enrollment. Unless of course you consider having to pay tuition an advantage.

No, they don't even "tend to be." Your statement was off base, acknowledge it and move on. If privates "tend to" work harder, why do T and X dominate in football but are only mediocre in basketball? Do the publics "tend to" work harder in the BBall Sweet 16? Or do T and X football players just "tend to" work harder than their BBall players? The answer is none of the above. Privates have many things that make them great (not being bound by KERA comes to mind) but having some sort of better "inner fire" or "work ethic" is not amongst them.

 

I believe there "tends" to be a stronger work ethic and discipline in kids from catholic schools. All schools need talent to be successful. I respect your opinion though but respectfully disagree. I must now move on.

To be fair, not every school from the CCH Grade school league is a feeder school for Covington Catholic.

Nevertheless they are all from BSS, St. Pius, St. Agnes, and St. Joes.

I believe there "tends" to be a stronger work ethic and discipline in kids from catholic schools. All schools need talent to be successful. I respect your opinion though but respectfully disagree. I must now move on.

 

 

Hearsay is exactly correct. By taking a limited view and applying it to limited circumstances and calling it "your belief" you simply define the term "uninformed." Explain please the successes of Beechwood, Highlands, Danville, Bardstown, Belfry, Pikeville, Paintsville, Mayfield, Boyle County, and on and on. (Probably a high concentration of Catholic kids going to public schools huh?) I didn't know discipline and work ethic were doled out in higher percentages to one particular religious sect. That is utterly ridiculous. I know way too many class individuals from the private schools that know better than to say such drivel.

Hearsay is exactly correct. By taking a limited view and applying it to limited circumstances and calling it "your belief" you simply define the term "uninformed." Explain please the successes of Beechwood, Highlands, Danville, Bardstown, Belfry, Pikeville, Paintsville, Mayfield, Boyle County, and on and on. (Probably a high concentration of Catholic kids going to public schools huh?) I didn't know discipline and work ethic were doled out in higher percentages to one particular religious sect. That is utterly ridiculous. I know way too many class individuals from the private schools that know better than to say such drivel.

 

Drivel is what you just posted. Not sure of the rest of the schools, but you can take Beechwood and Highlands out of there because they are independents. The most of the rest of which remain, "to my knowledge," don't have any competition from other high schools to pull student athletes away from them. So yes, when you have them circumstances in place, of course you should have a better concentration of athletes to pull from that area.