this is a great point. I do not know exactly how it operates but on this post I have heard they go get kids from their diocese. I was assuming that these were within conventional school districts but this may be incorrect as ARC has stated. if public schools are bound by these districts & private is not, there is an unfair balance. If you change a transfer request from "private" to "public" it should be legal. in most of these cases it is legal for private but illegal for public b/c of zoning/districting. If public has to operate under districting then private should as well instead of "recruiting" under the umbrella of the diocese!

 

 

I don't think many people understand that (at least in Northern Kentucky which I am familiar with), coaches don't literally go around and pick and choose kids to come to a certain school. There is not a free agent draft. Coachs do not go to a grade school tournament and look at all the schools to pick and choose. There are x amount of kids in a diocese, but all of these kids go to certain much smaller feeder schools. A coach does not go to other schools' feeder schools and recruit this player away from his district high school. Talking to kids from one's feeder school is just like having a middle school team directed by the high school head coach at a public or county school.

I don't think many people understand that (at least in Northern Kentucky which I am familiar with), coaches don't literally go around and pick and choose kids to come to a certain school. There is not a free agent draft. Coachs do not go to a grade school tournament and look at all the schools to pick and choose. There are x amount of kids in a diocese, but all of these kids go to certain much smaller feeder schools. A coach does not go to other schools' feeder schools and recruit this player away from his district high school.

I agree that this is not done. Any recruiting is done through the AAU-type teams and does not include the coach. It is done through parents talking about the advantages of the school they are attending, academically and athletically. A recruiting that I don't know should be illegal or wrong. Just two sets of parents discussing the benefits of education.

 

As a result, the better athletes are usually the ones that are playing on these AAU-type teams and end up congregating to a few private schools and 1-2 public schools in NKY.

I don't think many people understand that (at least in Northern Kentucky which I am familiar with), coaches don't literally go around and pick and choose kids to come to a certain school. There is not a free agent draft. Coachs do not go to a grade school tournament and look at all the schools to pick and choose. There are x amount of kids in a diocese, but all of these kids go to certain much smaller feeder schools. A coach does not go to other schools' feeder schools and recruit this player away from his district high school. Talking to kids from one's feeder school is just like having a middle school team directed by the high school head coach at a public or county school.

 

I would think that any coach would want to know the potential talent level coming up. And for example, I doubt if a 6'10" freshmen 'new to the area' would end up at St Pat.

I agree that this is not done. Any recruiting is done through the AAU-type teams and does not include the coach. It is done through parents talking about the advantages of the school they are attending, academically and athletically. A recruiting that I don't know should be illegal or wrong. Just two sets of parents discussing the benefits of education.

 

As a result, the better athletes are usually the ones that are playing on these AAU-type teams and end up congregating to a few private schools and 1-2 public schools in NKY.

 

I almost agree with you. And yes education may come up as a side bar in the conversation between these two parents, but the conversation goes more like this. "Wouldn't it be great if these guys all played on the same HS team? Man, they would have a chance to win state. You guys should transfer to our school, it's not bad academically."

Who said anything about a transfer? I freshman enrolling in a HS is not a transfer.

My point is this:

Public high school have to deal with district lines or county lines. There have been many occasions that these rules have been broken & players have to sit or schools get in trouble.

 

Private schools do not have to follow these same district line or county lines!! Is this legal?? yes!!

 

Although it is legal, it is not the same rules or playing field for private & public schools!!

My point is this:

Public high school have to deal with district lines or county lines. There have been many occasions that these rules have been broken & players have to sit or schools get in trouble.

 

Private schools do not have to follow these same district line or county lines!! Is this legal?? yes!!

 

Although it is legal, it is not the same rules or playing field for private & public schools!!

The argument that is going to be given to you on the bolded is that the school boards can choose to have open enrollment. So that restriction is one they choose to place upon themselves.

 

While accurate, that argument is also simplistic.

 

The public school is designed to serve a community, not a larger area, but smaller specific community. So to have open enrollment is against what a public school district is designed to do.

The argument that is going to be given to you on the bolded is that the school boards can choose to have open enrollment. So that restriction is one they choose to place upon themselves.

 

While accurate, that argument is also simplistic.

 

The public school is designed to serve a community, not a larger area, but smaller specific community. So to have open enrollment is against what a public school district is designed to do.

 

This is understood but i'm simply stating that the rules for private & public are different! The KHSAA would not touch this issue with a 100 foot pole in fear of being sued. I simply feel that if you are under the KHSAA, you should follow the rules/guidelines set forth by the KHSAA. Private schools are an exception & this is allowed.

This is understood but i'm simply stating that the rules for private & public are different! The KHSAA would not touch this issue with a 100 foot pole in fear of being sued. I simply feel that if you are under the KHSAA, you should follow the rules/guidelines set forth by the KHSAA. Private schools are an exception & this is allowed.

Which specific rules are different for publics and privates?

All I wish the All A would do is use the same enrollment numbers as the KHSAA uses for their football playoffs. If it still ends up that there are 3 private schools in the finals then so be it. I have no problem with it. Schools that play Class AA football should not be participating in this tourney IMO. For instance Newport and Lloyd should not be allowed to play in the Class A tourney. Private schools with similar enrollment numbers such as St Henry should not be involved either IMO.

This is understood but i'm simply stating that the rules for private & public are different! The KHSAA would not touch this issue with a 100 foot pole in fear of being sued. I simply feel that if you are under the KHSAA, you should follow the rules/guidelines set forth by the KHSAA. Private schools are an exception & this is allowed.

I believe the crux of the issue you are mentioning ARE NOT rules that the KHSAA is in control of. I do not believe you will find a rule that the KHSAA is directly in control of that separates public/private, as you are mentioning.

 

Since KHSAA does not have boundaries set for schools, I do not believe you will find rules that are not equal.

 

NOW, you CAN make the claim that the KHSAA needs to setup these rules, but do NOT think you can make the claim that the rules are different. Simply put, there are NO KHSAA rules to the problem you are addressing.

 

At least, none that I am aware of. They were offered in October and defeated.

There are no rules regarding attending schools or transferring?? I was not aware that there was no rules on this topic. I must be confused about why several players have to sit out when transferring. i always thought it was a rules violation. i stand corrected!! can you please tell me why players are not allowed to go from school to school and sometimes have to sit for 1 year when they do??

 

please help me!!!

Isn't limiting the geographic area that privates can draw their student body from part of the Prop 20 compromise that is being worked on?

 

If you put aside the Mega-Privates (Trinity, X and LexCath) the private schools could be described by LBBC's description of public schools above "designed to serve a community, not a larger area, but a smaller specific community".

 

The NKY private High Schools are trying to serve the areas designated by their feeder parishes. Rules exist within the Diocese to promote students to attend the private school for which their grade school is a feeder. Higher tuition rates are paid if you go to a private outside your area. Enticement of students outside your feeder schools is not permitted but to say that it never happens is probably not true either.

 

Open enrollment exists to help ensure the survival of each of these schools and as mentioned is not limited to private schools. Despite what anyone may think, the coaches from these schools are not out trying to recruit the public students to come to their high school. It simply isn't happening in NKY!

I believe the crux of the issue you are mentioning ARE NOT rules that the KHSAA is in control of. I do not believe you will find a rule that the KHSAA is directly in control of that separates public/private, as you are mentioning.

 

Since KHSAA does not have boundaries set for schools, I do not believe you will find rules that are not equal.

 

NOW, you CAN make the claim that the KHSAA needs to setup these rules, but do NOT think you can make the claim that the rules are different. Simply put, there are NO KHSAA rules to the problem you are addressing.

 

At least, none that I am aware of. They were offered in October and defeated.

It is not over yet, there is a large movement to seperate the schools and I for one will continue to contribute to the cause and make this issue a political one.

Isn't limiting the geographic area that privates can draw their student body from part of the Prop 20 compromise that is being worked on?

 

If you put aside the Mega-Privates (Trinity, X and LexCath) the private schools could be described by LBBC's description of public schools above "designed to serve a community, not a larger area, but a smaller specific community".

 

The NKY private High Schools are trying to serve the areas designated by their feeder parishes. Rules exist within the Diocese to promote students to attend the private school for which their grade school is a feeder. Higher tuition rates are paid if you go to a private outside your area. Enticement of students outside your feeder schools is not permitted but to say that it never happens is probably not true either.

 

Open enrollment exists to help ensure the survival of each of these schools and as mentioned is not limited to private schools. Despite what anyone may think, the coaches from these schools are not out trying to recruit the public students to come to their high school. It simply isn't happening in NKY!

note key word promote not require!