The Ghost

Being that I saw the play you are referring to, the play was not in that officials "primary" are of the floor. The play was in the center officials "primary" the the Lead official having "secondary" coverage. The whistle was late due to him giving the center a chance to see the play (or get straight lined as we used to say, which it looked like he did) and then Lead came with the call. Right call. Better late and right than early and wrong. First games I got a chance to see in the tournament since moving here and retiring from the game. Really thought that the refs did a great job. Good no calls when some contact had nothing to do with the outcome of a play. Much better than we used to get in Tennessee! :flame:

Well, being from the "old school" of officiating, we did not have any instant replay available, even in Division One, until recently. Even now, there are conferences that have no replay capabilities (although it is changing from what I can gather). Mainly the reason high school cannot go to it is because of consistency. Granted you have more technology available during the tournaments (usually), but the officials would have no idea how to use the equipment correctly (most of the time). During the regular season it just would not work due to the technological barriers to most schools. It is not that difficult to look at a tape and decide good or no good. The trouble I see is having the angles (clocks ect) available and the replay capabilities. :thumb:

Now, let me say straight up that I do not want this to turn into a giant "I know it better than you" debate. I read a few comments about a game yesterday and felt that a little insight was necessary from an old stripes perspective. Now with regard to a block charge: I thought about this for a while and decided this; the reason fans think the stripes get every (well not every but alot) of these calls wrong is that they are watching the ball, not the defenders. When I went to camps (oh that seems a long time ago), the people that were there instructing us (you see/saw many of them on TV every night) always told us to watch the defender, not the dribbler. Watching the dribbler will result in most (not all) of the "block/charge" situations to be called blocks. If one cannot see the defender, one cannot make an accurate call. The defender is allowed to move to "maintain his/her defensive position". If the defender beats the dribbler to the spot (that is his/her feet are down), there still can be movement in the upper torso area of the defender. Also remember this; the offensive player still has to be "under control" and not using his/her forearm to clear out. So, remember; officials that have the proper perspective (ie he/she has attended a quality camp), most likely the officials are getting the call right 95% of the time. But you have no idea who those people are? I'll give you a hint; if officials are calling the majority of the contact by the dribbler/defensive players "player control" fouls; chances are they are one of the better ones. Now that does not apply to all situations (there are teams out there that just don't have the speed to "get to the spot" and you might see alot of blocks called), but for the majority (oh who am I kidding 90%) of the "good" officials, they get the calls right. Just trust them! :flame:

When I was in the stripes, if the coach refuesed to leave, I had the timer tell me when one minute had elapsed, then it was game over. Never had to do it, but we did get into the seconds left a couple times! :ylsuper:

Throwing money at the problem is not the answer. Retired as I may be, I know this. Training is the only answer to getting more qualified officials out into the games. There is no substitute for taking a little time away from the summer and learning what one might not know. It helped me way back in the day, when there were not many camps to go to. If the state would mandate that all officials have to go to a camp outside the state every two to four years, you would see a dramatic increase in well officiated games. There will always be the guys that are just out there for the money (as pitiful as it may be) or for the glory. Some people just love getting yelled at! :banana:

Anyone putting Woodson in front of Eric Ainge is dreaming! Ainge isn't the best QB in the draft (I'd put him at 3-5) but he has a bigger upside than Woodson. Can play the Pro-Style O and knows when to dump the ball off or out of play. Dosen't make many mistakes, but does need a good O line to protect him. I'd look for him to go somewhere like the Colts in the 2nd round. It would benefit him to play under someone like a Manning or a Favre for a few season to see if he has the stuff. :banana:

Then you would be getting back to the situation of "contracting" officials like they do in Indiana. I have friends that still officiate and they have contracts years ahead of times for certain schools and games. Talk about a biased system. Somone talked earlier about letting officials rate each other. That would be a hoot. Some people would lose friends if they are honest with people. I had to tell a guy once that he was in over his head and not to do a game (it was a preseason scrimmage). Hardest thing I ever had to do, but it did make my decision easier when I dedcided to hang it up. I knew it was time to go when the speed of the game had picked up and I no longer could get in position. Desire was still there, but the wheels were shot! Some people never quite learn that however! There are a few D 1 guys out there that need to hang it up for that fact alone! :fire:

Yea....he is somewhat on the side of confidence, but let me tell you....he is a better officials than some of the names I have seen on this post. When I used to call he was a young up and comer. Now he works some of the bigger games in the COUNTRY...not just this state. You do not get to that level without knowing what you are doing. There are some very fine officials on this post. There are also ones that just worry about what LOOKS like the correct call, not what IS the correct call. The reason some officials get that "I'm bigger than the game" reputation is that those of us who called (call) what is there, not what "looks funny". Someday when we can take the coaches votes out of who goes to District, Region and such, the climate may change so that the people that know who the good officials are can let them get where they belong. And I think there were 20 + there that game..... :fire:

Long ago I had a coach tell me the same thing....he did hit the bus before his team did..... I always hated giving both technicals...but just like Tom Cruise said in "Risky Business"......"Sometimes you just have to say what the **heck**"! :laugh:

Coker was kicked off the team....you mean Foster? Creer? Hardesty? Those were the top three backs at the end of the year. I heard Foster might go pro.... But you are correct about the O line. Plus we have a more mobile QB in Jonathan Crompton. His arm is supposed to me bigger than ole # 10, but not quite up to ole # 18 status. Defense should be much much better. One DB that was on Academic suspension has been readmitted to UT (can't place the name right now) and all should be healthy and ready to go come fall. :banana:

Tha is typical of Fulmer. He loves to let his defense win games for them, which is WAY old school. Hopefully a new OC can come in and rev up the offense somewhat. At least if Crompton wins the QB job next year, we will have a mobile one back there.

I said nothing about "hearing contact". Alot of times back in the day, things "looked" ugly or it "looked" like a player walked. The meaning is it had to actually "be there" for it to be called. Sometimes there is a blocked shot, and the force of the block causes the player to go to the floor. That "looks like" a foul, but really is not. Hope that clarifies what I ment. :banana:

Officials that know what they are doing can evaluate contact. When I used to run the floor, if the ball was blocked and then a little contact was made (emphasis on the word "little"), I almost never called a foul. Now, there are people out there that do not know how to evaluate the contact that is made....if it "looks like a foul" they call it. It should be a foul before it is called. and Yes...women can block shots, play "D" and do all the things that the guys can do. The question to the officials has to be...do you have the guts to not blow the whistle when it just "looks like a foul" and take the crowd booing and the coach eating on you..... :flame:

I cannot say for sure, but most likely, if the KBA has been sold, they can still have at least some of these tournaments here in Lexington. Many cities use HS facilities (like Lexington used to for the HS state), which is better (IMO). You have seperate facilities and more space. :banana:

Lets face it....what is the best way to keep a high powered offense in check? Keep it off the field. The only thing that kept UGA down this year is when their runners were banged up. If Moreano has a big game, UGA should win easy... UGA 38 UH 21

I heard this morning on ESPN that he is also "consulting" with Tom Osborne on their coaching vacancy. I think he would like to leave USC due to their above average entrance requirements. He has been at odds with the higher-up there for a while. :banana:

I am taking the Kirk Herbstreit approach to this game. Just like he said about the cats game....no one in America thinks they can or should win the game. LSU has proven they are vunerable in losses to UK and ARK. So, the VOLS can win this game if all the planets align right and they don't get to go soft in the second half with a lead. VOLS 31 LSU 30

Yea....I can see that...but I don't think the penalty's fit the infractions. Someone getting a neck wrenched and possibly injuried Vs player getting excited and emotional and flinging a ball. Granted, he never should have slung the ball away like that, but I think you see my point.

I didn't see any other flags there did you?

Yes but they should have started from the 12 and 1/2 once as well. (That facemask penalty that was not enforced) Now can someone explain how that is not enforced, but the unsporting penalty is? Seems if there is going to ba a change or two, this incident should be one of them. I also agree to have the teams start from further back. The 40 sounds about right (I think UT scored from there right)? ::snicker:: :fire:

Well, looks like a typical after UT win on here. Guys the bottom line is this; Overall, the fans at both UK and UT are some of the best in the nation. There are always going to be people who have zero class and heckle and whatnot during the game. Taking that out on student athletes is just not cool. Don't let a few bad apples make the rest of your fans look bad. I mean practically all my friends are UK fans and win or lose, I was still in my fav establishment. I was prepared to take all the "stuff" if we had lost. Too bad one fan had to go a little far and unplug the jukebox when "Rocky Top" came on...and a UK fan had played it! Now that is low class! Now, I do congratulate UK for an impressive comeback (although Chavis and the VOLS defense had more to do with it than UK did) and good luck in your bowl game! :thumb:

I hope they try! Yea.....we have had a ton of bad luck back there (3 projected starters and one back out for academics, injuries or the like), but the replacements have been stellar. If Woodson stares down the receivers (like he has s tendency to do) and the UT pass rush is there (I look for alot of blitzes, even though we don't do that much), UK is going to have a LOOOOOOOOONG day. I look for the VOLS to move out to a lead and control the clock with the running game. UK will not be able to run the ball effectivly with all the injuries they have. Little looked like he could hardly walk Saturday, let alone hit a hole and gain yards. So, I'll take my VOLS in a one score game. 31-24 sounds about right, but with the VOLS on top! :fire:

I heard (totally unconfirmed) that another facility was either being planned or going to be opend in Lex sometime. If I find out any details, I will pass them along. Rumor has it it is a former UK player that is in the mix! :thumb:

This is one I would love to say that UK could win, and a couple weeks ago I did. I stated that they would win by 2 TD's. Now, after the performance over the past 2 -3 weeks, I have to change my stance. The VOLS just stood UGA up and never let them get in the game. I can't see UK doing that anymore. They could out score them, but with both UGA's RB's healthy, I look for the DOGS to win by 14 or more. :flame:

It's not a "new rule". Displacement of a player has always been a foul.