Disclaimer: I am not a b-ball official so I have ax to grind.

 

I've read many of the b-ball threads and one constant is disenchantment with the calls made by the men (and women) in stripes. I'll give you a scenario and you make the call or tell me what other information you need in order to make the call.

 

Ball is going out of bounds. A1 saves it back inbounds then is the first to touch the ball. What do you have?

Did A1 establish and gain position before he touched the ball?

I've not seen many (if any) complaints about the refs not knowing the rules of the game usually it's what they saw or think they saw and if they called it or not that draws complaints from fans.

 

As for the question I'm not a ref either but I say you have to know if player A1 stepped out of bounds after saving the ball, if he did I say he can't be the first player to touch the ball after coming back into play even if he does clearly establish position inbounds before touching it.

If a ball is heading out of bounds and a player saves it in and the player continues out of bounds, IF AND ONLY IF, the player establishes him/her self back in bounds before touching the ball, IT IS LEGAL for the player to retrieve the ball. No one has to touch it or anything, if no one wants to pick it up, there is no rule that says the player that saved it can't get it, as long as they are back in bounds.

That being said, being established back in bounds means, only one foot back on the playing floor and the other foot not out of bounds. You don't have to have both feet back in to be established, just one of them and the other can't be out of bounds!

 

Now the real question, can he or she dribble after they come back in bounds and is the first to touch and retrieve the ball?

Now the real question, can he or she dribble after they come back in bounds and is the first to touch and retrieve the ball?

 

Great question and it depends on what happened prior.

The player can dribble as long as they don't touch the ball with both hands - as in a double dribble.

 

Master are you sure the player does not have to have establish both feet inbounds?

Here is the best one - usually once or twice a game. Player knocks the ball out of bounds - someone went over his back or pushed him out of bounds with the ball up the sideline - ref allows them to keep position (a lot like football). Tells coaches - avoided calling the foul so just let us keep possession. Reasoning don't want to disrupt flow. My response - he fouled call it. Two wrongs don't make a right. It went out on us, because he fouled. There will not be any major upsets anymore in HS basketball - due to refs allowing too much physical/fouling to take place. It is no longer a pure sport. If you don't have the stronger athletes you don't win in March.

Only info you need to know is player A1 in, not touching out of bounds while trying to save the ball. Player A1 can come back in bounds and continue to control the ball.

In the 16th region they would call nothing......as they have done ALL YEAR!!!!!

Here's another one,

Player H1 has another player A1 in a headlock. (literally) Referee calls nothing.

Player A1 finally gets out and says something to player H1. Referee under the basket closest to the play calls technical on player A1.

I LOVE how this thread is staying on topic!

Only info you need to know is player A1 in, not touching out of bounds while trying to save the ball. Player A1 can come back in bounds and continue to control the ball.

 

Not true. There is more that you have to determine in order to know what the player can do when he touches the ball inbounds.

The player can dribble as long as they don't touch the ball with both hands - as in a double dribble.

 

Master are you sure the player does not have to have establish both feet inbounds?

 

You're on the right path and may be 100% on it but your wording is vague.

 

Master is correct. You're either in bounds or out of bounds. Your'e in bounds if you have touched in bounds (1 or 2 feet) and not touching out of bounds.

The only thing you said was, the ball was going out of bounds. You didn't say player A1 was dribbling the ball and lost control and the ball was going out. If player A1 is trying to save an over throw ball going out of bounds then if he/she saves it from going out then yes they can continue. Now if they dribble it out then they have to continue dribbling or pass it off to someone else if he/she was to pick up their dribble.

The only thing you said was, the ball was going out of bounds. You didn't say player A1 was dribbling the ball and lost control and the ball was going out. If player A1 is trying to save an over throw ball going out of bounds then if he/she saves it from going out then yes they can continue. Now if they dribble it out then they have to continue dribbling or pass it off to someone else if he/she was to pick up their dribble.

 

LTW - my point in being vague was to show that there are many factors refs have to look at in order to determine if there is a violation or not. That's sort of the point of the thread.

 

With that said, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "they can continue." I also didn't follow your last sentence. If A1 is dribbling and loses control of the ball , bats in into play before it goes out of bounds, what can/cannot A1 do?