For those that support a separate class for the private schools that play football; here they are. My apologies if I omitted someone or incorrectly classified a school as private.

 

Bethlehem

Louisville Holy Cross

DeSales

Kentucky Country Day

Owensboro Catholic

Christian Academy-Louisville

Bishop Brossart

Covington Holy Cross

Newport Central Catholic

Lexington Christian Academy

Lexington Catholic

Covington Catholic

St. Xavier

Trinity

 

Do we really want a 14-school class; of which only two have a realistic chance of winning 19 years out of 20? Or are we really meaning St. Xavier and Trinity should have a one-game playoff for a private-school title?

 

I don't care how many are championship-level programs... Private schools do not operate by the same enrollment restrictions that public schools do - it is simple... Private schools can recruit, with little oversight.

 

Every team in the KHSAA should have to play by the same rules - or not be able to play teams that do. I also believe the KHSAA needs to completely end its favoritism toward certain public school coaches & programs when it comes to transfers.

Private schools offer scholaships. Just so happens someone like Lex Cath can have a parent who is rich donate money or pay for a kids scholarship. Been done before. I think a former player payed for a few kids to go there that were football players. One being Winston Guy I think.

Private schools offer scholaships. Just so happens someone like Lex Cath can have a parent who is rich donate money or pay for a kids scholarship. Been done before. I think a former player payed for a few kids to go there that were football players. One being Winston Guy I think.

I don't think the private school I went to offered scholarships. If they did, my parents would probably be pretty P.O.ed that I didn't get one.

I just don't like separating the public and private schools. What good is a championship if you take out some of the best teams? It's like getting a handicap in bowling. I never wanted to win a bowling match just because I was given pins. If I wasn't good enough to win, head to head, I shouldn't win.

I just don't like separating the public and private schools. What good is a championship if you take out some of the best teams? It's like getting a handicap in bowling. I never wanted to win a bowling match just because I was given pins. If I wasn't good enough to win, head to head, I shouldn't win.

 

I agree 100%. As long as the playing field is equal, I have no problems. If a private is offering scholarship dollars to athletes or giving some sort of tuition break, that is a problem. The recruiting rules apply to all schools so as long as all schools are being treated equally by the KHSAA in transfer situations, no problem there either. The thing is kids right now can go to any high school they want - public or private - and be eligible as long as they haven't played a varsity sport and I have no problem with that. That is why I don't understand all the paranoia about private schools. I think there are a lot of people who just don't understand the rules and think there is some unfair advantage.

There is a whole other forum for public-private issues. There is also lots of historical material in the threads covering years of discussion that address facts, mis-conceptions and out-right inaccuracies. Some of which are being raised (again) here.

What would be good would be to make the intermediate playoff games have some more significant title. Right now you have 5 weeks of 'Survivor' type playoffs. Being district champs has no special meaning and region championships are not really celebrated.

 

The old 4A championship used to be 'Jefferson' Champ vs. 'State' Champ. So you had a champion vs. champion special final and the teams were representing more than themselves - they were representing the largest county in the state or the rest of the state. Its just not that special now since teams are just playing basically for themselves in Bowling Green.

 

It would be good if Semi-finals were more than just Semi-finals.

 

Metro vs. Rural

East vs. West

 

Then go back to 4 classes. With 4 classes and 6 weeks of playoffs you could get all the schools into the post season and reduce first week travel cost a lot since with 4 classes schools would be geographically closer. 6 classes has spread the schools out too much.

Private schools offer scholaships. Just so happens someone like Lex Cath can have a parent who is rich donate money or pay for a kids scholarship. Been done before. I think a former player payed for a few kids to go there that were football players. One being Winston Guy I think.

 

That is cannot be true. You are not allowed to pay for another students tuition. No matter what it is used for. If this happened as you are suggesting, then it is clearly a KHSAA violation. And if this indeed happened, then someone like yourself needs to report it. Sounds like you have some pretty good inside information. Let us know how it goes. Good Luck!

I don't care how many are championship-level programs... Private schools do not operate by the same enrollment restrictions that public schools do - it is simple... Private schools can recruit, with little oversight.

 

Every team in the KHSAA should have to play by the same rules - or not be able to play teams that do. I also believe the KHSAA needs to completely end its favoritism toward certain public school coaches & programs when it comes to transfers.

You are grossly misinformed. Sure, private schools have open enrollment, but so can any public school. The public schools put restrictions on where they can draw students from, then they whine about other schools not doing it too. Same for the complaint with Independent schools with open enrollment, then the county schools complain because they have self imposed district limitations.

 

They can not recruit. Just a misconception.

 

The rules are the same for member school of the KHSAA, they all agree to follow the same rules. If you know of a school that is not following the rules, report them to the KHSAA.

Reporting it wont matter, the KHSAA doesnt have the resources to investigate every complaint...it is what it is and MANY schools do it, not just private or independants. We should all just move on and work harder.

That is cannot be true. You are not allowed to pay for another students tuition. No matter what it is used for. If this happened as you are suggesting, then it is clearly a KHSAA violation. And if this indeed happened, then someone like yourself needs to report it. Sounds like you have some pretty good inside information. Let us know how it goes. Good Luck!

 

It did happen and I think Lex Cath was fined 30,000 for the very thing I said and they didn't even fight the penalty, just read the article and see how innocent you say they are.

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=4142193

That is cannot be true. You are not allowed to pay for another students tuition. No matter what it is used for. If this happened as you are suggesting, then it is clearly a KHSAA violation. And if this indeed happened, then someone like yourself needs to report it. Sounds like you have some pretty good inside information. Let us know how it goes. Good Luck!

 

It did happen and I think Lex Cath was fined 30,000 for the very thing I said and they didn't even fight the penalty, just read the article and see how innocent you say they are.

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=4142193

 

Thanks for proving my point my friend! It did happen and they got caught. There you go.

I don't disagree with your contention that some coaches were probably in favor of 6 classes to make it easier to advance farther. I also think that some were in favor of it specifically to avoid T and X. The reason I heard presented to the Board of Control for the 6 classes was to narrow the disparity between the largest and smallest school in each class. I obviously can't know the real reason each Board member voted for the 6 classes. It was represented to the Board, if I recall properly, that both the Football Advisory Committee and the Ky Football Coaches Association were in favor of the increase in classes. The Board generally follows the recommendations of the coaches groups unless the Board thinks there is some compelling reason not to do so.

 

I still believe that the move to 6 classes in time will improve the quality of play of high school football in Ky just because more teams will advance farther and more teams will win championships. No one, please, please, respond with we should then have 10 or 15 or 50 classes of football. I'll admit that 6 is a stretch and for now is creating some easier roads to the championship. Hopefully in time, that will no longer be the case.

 

While at times I tire of this incessant complaining and whining about 6 classes, it's continuation at least means that there are a lot of high school football fans out there. That, as Martha likes to say, is a good thing.

 

Which begs the question, why aren't all sports classified? Makes no sense.

Which begs the question, why aren't all sports classified? Makes no sense.

 

Basketball won't do it because of the prestige of the Sweet 16 alone (along with the money it brings in), but let Trinity and some of these 6A type schools start cutting down the nets and I think we could see a change, but so long as the likes of Shelby Valley and other small schools win it all or make serious runs and you won't see change. Girls basketball won't change until the boys do, even though they need it; heaven forbid though that they get treated differently, even though it's exactly what their sport needs. If people think the state of football in our state is bad as a whole from top to bottom, holy crap, go watch 80% of girls Bball games. There are more fall downs and jump balls to last a lifetime just in one game.

 

Baseball and softball? Not sure why (I live my girls softball by the way, I'll watch that everyday over baseball) Wrestling won't bc there are only about 80-90 schools that have wrestling and a couple handfuls of them can't even field teams with kids in every weight class, so that knocks the actual number down.

 

I think 4-5 classes would be the way to go for everybody, or even 3 classes to be honest.

I think 6 classes are fine, it gives more kids a chance to play in playoffs and therefore adds to more experience and in the end will lead to better football. If kids don't think they ever have a chance, then we lose the desire to play.

 

But if everyone wants 5 classes, do it this way to even out competition.

 

Not sure how to do this but put the 30 best (most wins in past 10 years) and the 30 worst (most losses in past 10 years) in the same classes and divide the other 200 or so into 3 classes and let them battle it out. Who are the winningest and who has most losses in the last 10 years.