Where do the boys walking the halls come from? From a pool of 10,000 or a pool of 200,000? Which would you rather draw your "boys walking the halls from"?

 

In the case of Highlands, it's a pool of about 17,000 people + 150-200 tuition students. Out of that they get 419 boys of high school age.

 

Name a high school that pulls from a pool of 200,000. Tough to do because even in a big city district like Louisville or Cincinnati (one I'm more familiar with) the high schools have boundaries within that district. No one public high school has access to the entire metro area. Only private schools have that. I'm not sure why you think that schools in an urban setting have the pick of anybody they want. There are well-defined districts that dictate where a student attends. Do some pay tuition to go out of district? Yes. Do some cheat and give false addresses? Yes. Do these factors have a significant impact on athletics? I don't think so. There are many other factors that have a bigger impact on athletic success.

Where do the boys walking the halls come from? From a pool of 10,000 or a pool of 200,000? Which would you rather draw your "boys walking the halls from"?

 

But you are assuming that a school gets to pick its players from a pool. That's not the case. A school has what comes to them. Do some schools have programs that attract more of the better athletes? Yes they do. But it's still a reach to think that any urban school, even Trinity, would get all the good athletes from a pool of 200,000. Heck a contra argument could be made that with so many great athletes in that pool of 200,000 some would choose not to attend T because of their belief they wouldn't get as many carries, as many tackles, as much playing time, as much exposure, etc. because they likely wouldn't see the field until they were juniors or maybe even seniors and they thus choose to go elsewhere. Plus, while it gets overlooked, Trinity is still an expensive school to attend even with the merit and need based financial aid. Sure some of the very poor (financially) athletes could in theory get 100% need based financial aid. But not all superior athletes come from families so poor as to qualify for 100% need based financial aid.

 

But even if you are right and T is getting all or even just a majority of the quality athletes out of that pool of 200,00, isn't the issue: what is wrong with the football programs at the Jeff Co. public schools and X causing all those athletes in the 200,000 pool to choose T? And for the record, T's success can't just be blamed on all the great athletes going to Trinity. Not too long ago, T was winning state championships with few if any D-1 players on the squad.

 

But I'll grant you that this year's T team is stacked with D-1 players. Next year's team will be also. How did that happen? Why did they all choose to attend T? The Jeff Co. public schools and X need to immediately step back; do some serious, no holds barred self examination; and figure out why just recently T is attracting the superior athletes. If the Jeff Co. schools and X don't do it quickly, the task of attracting some of the better athletes away from choosing T will be made much, much more difficult down the road. The longer they take to figure out what needs to be done and do it, the stronger T will be and the harder it will be to compete with T. I don't want to turn this into a Beatty vs Glaser urinating competition, but you'd have to be sticking your head in the sand to not see the impact Beatty has made on T's program. If the X faithful, administration and fans are fine with Glaser because he's a great man, leader, teacher, etc., that's their business. If the public schools in Jeff Co. are unwilling to put a greater committment to their football program and the development of better youth leagues because they can't afford it, don't what to put more emphasis on football than some other sport, etc., that's also their business. But those decisions definitely impact all of 6A because I think if things don't change, all or almost all of the superior athletes wanting to attend a private school or a school with a strong football program will choose and be funnelled to T, thus making it impossible for the rural 6A schools to compete with T. Rather than getting upset with T as some do, I get more upset with the other schools in Jeff Co. for making T the preferred destination of high quality athletes making the decision as to what high school to attend.

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100% agree. Do I think Jefferson County schools will self evaluate itself. No way in Hell, not with the bureaucracy that they have there. I agree X better get moving or they to will miss train. T is already loaded for next year. What 8th grade boy in the area would not want to go there. Success only breeds more success!!

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I was waiting for LN to put his unequivocal two cents in. Right on the money too. I mean look at NCC and Highlands. They both get kids from the same feeder program and communities that put a certain value on education and athletics. This doesn't just come down to what just the schools can do. Don't you think it takes more? Like the term "It takes a village." My point is that great education and athletics goes way beyond a curriculum and a playbook. Making our kids read every single night and complete homework Before all else starts in first grade. We also put our all into every extracurricular activity that we do. That's what it takes to have a successful program. The non-payroll support of parents and community volunteers. We have several coaches, officials, concessions workers etc. That donate their time unselfishly. I bet if ask the other successful programs they'll tell you the same.

Where do the boys walking the halls come from? From a pool of 10,000 or a pool of 200,000? Which would you rather draw your "boys walking the halls from"?

What he is saying is this: A pool of 200,000 divided among 40 competing schools comes out to 500 students. A pool of 10,000 divided by one rural county school comes out to the same 500 students. Yes, it's a bigger pie; however, more people are sharing it.

Edited November 22, 201114 yr by Birdsfan

I was waiting for LN to put his unequivocal two cents in. Right on the money too. I mean look at NCC and Highlands. They both get kids from the same feeder program and communities that put a certain value on education and athletics. This doesn't just come down to what just the schools can do. Don't you think it takes more? Like the term "It takes a village." My point is that great education and athletics goes way beyond a curriculum and a playbook. Making our kids read every single night and complete homework Before all else starts in first grade. We also put our all into every extracurricular activity that we do. That's what it takes to have a successful program. The non-payroll support of parents and community volunteers. We have several coaches, officials, concessions workers etc. That donate their time unselfishly. I bet if ask the other successful programs they'll tell you the same.

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Decided to look at the NCAA D-III first two rounds of playoff games;

24 games in two weeks, 9 blowouts(38%); 4 competitive(17%); 11 close(45%)

 

Week 4 in KY: 12 games, 6 blowouts(50%); 2 competitive(17%); 4 close(33%)

Did anyone predict blowouts in the BG/JH game?; Anderson/Southwestern?; Holy Cross/Somerset?; Glasgow/Murray?: I didn't.

Decided to look at the NCAA D-III first two rounds of playoff games;

24 games in two weeks, 9 blowouts(38%); 4 competitive(17%); 11 close(45%)

 

Week 4 in KY: 12 games, 6 blowouts(50%); 2 competitive(17%); 4 close(33%)

Did anyone predict blowouts in the BG/JH game?; Anderson/Southwestern?; Holy Cross/Somerset?; Glasgow/Murray?: I didn't.

 

What is your conclusion or point??? What is your definition of competitive and close?

 

Have to wonder what only 4 classes would change as well. Any chance you could go back and look at the last few years of 4 class system?

What is your conclusion or point??? What is your definition of competitive and close?

 

Have to wonder what only 4 classes would change as well. Any chance you could go back and look at the last few years of 4 class system?

 

Did you read any of the previous posts. He already did everything you ask.

Just curious--how many kids with a Ft. Thomas address played at NCC this year? Could ask the same question about the Beechwood district and CCH.

IN the past few weeks I've tallied about every playoff since I was born or since this state has kept records under the KHSAA(darn, that's about one in the same!!!)

 

My point(s) is(are):

 

that there is no perfect system{that's point #1}. There seem to be blowouts in every, or at least most, playoff systems{that's point #2}. I prefer ONLY ONE STATE CHAMPION like basketball(OMG I HATE admitting that){point #3}.

 

The current 6 class system, while too many(IMHO), gives fantastic programs(Bowling Green/Belfry/Beechwood/Mayfield/Russell & others; Central recently, Hazard recently, Scott Co & Boone Co. while not consistently on top, are usually at least on that 2nd level for more examples), and those schools with that one fantastic team every once in a while, (Owen County this year/Covington Holy Cross this year/Anderson since Peach has been there/Glasgow has been there every once in a while/F-S was there before when Joker was in High School) a chance to get state-wide recognition and every once in a while a chance to win it all. They would not get that recognition and did not get that recognition in the earlier 3 class and 4 class systems.{point #4}

 

I would still like to see this system of using school size to deteremine a 'class sized' champion continue but then pool those 6 winners into an ULTIMATE CHAMPION with the two best programs/teams/ schools seeded.{point #5}

 

{Point #6} I do think that the KHSAA, while over legislating at times, if not often; is a pretty darned good administrative body and takes data into consideration before making decisions. The evidence has been stated in an earlier post. They may not always get it right, but they study it before trying it and change it if it's deemed to be incorrect.

Did you read any of the previous posts. He already did everything you ask.

 

what post #?. Post 143 talks about this year, I think. I was wondering about 2006, 2005 or something of that era when there were only 4 classes.

what post #?. Post 143 talks about this year, I think. I was wondering about 2006, 2005 or something of that era when there were only 4 classes.

 

Post 17 goes over his criteria for close, competitive, and blowouts. He also breaks down the state championship games when there was 4 classes. Post 21 goes over semi final games from 98-06 when there was 4 classes. He also broke down every state championship in another post.

Just curious--how many kids with a Ft. Thomas address played at NCC this year? Could ask the same question about the Beechwood district and CCH.

 

Not sure but one of them was their best Receiver and only a sophomore in big Mac Franzen. He would have been a deadly option at TE this season for the Birds. Can you imagine? wow...