It's well documented that Trinity does not do well beyond the boarders of KY. But that is a moot point. There is no doubt that within the borders, they are far and away the best. I don't think that they should be ostracized for simply putting their money where their mouth is and making a commitment to excellence in both the classroom and athletic fields. BUT that is not the point. The state has grown weary of their excellence. So I am possing the question, what happens to an excellent program when nobody cares? Does it continue to be excellent or does it lose steam because when there is no glory or admiration by your peers, how do you stay motivated. More over, what happens when you go from being simply an enemy to becoming an outcast to whom no door is open and no welcome is present? Like I've said, Trinity is a unique study in sports.

 

Please understand, I believe what Trinity and X are is what all schools should strive for. I am simply saying and expressing what I am seeing happen in this state in respect to these schools.

 

Well, there are several things to address here.

 

The first, and biggest, is the supposition that Trinity is motivated to success by what the rest of the state thinks of their excellence. That's not meant to be arrogant, but simply a fact. Having been fortunate enough to have a son play for Trinity, I can 100% attest to the fact that the motivation is internal. To assume that the program will go into decline because those outside the program no longer care is to not understand the program. I am 100% confident that the motivation will still be there.

 

It's a good question though. And I can understand why it would be asked. I hope you can understand my confidence success of the program despite being considered outcasts. I actually think that such a mantle would even further inspire them, to be honest.

 

To be clear, I understand that our success as far as W-L columns go may take a hit. I fully understand the historical data. But, that hasn't stopped us from playing, and it won't. We were very close to being 3-0 against out of state opponents this year. But close only counts in horseshoes. I hope that even those who are detractors can attest to the fact that we don't rest on our laurels after winning, or stop working to improve even more. And in defeat, we take our licks and try to fix the problems and continue to improve. Coach Beatty doesn't let history dictate the future, and that is a big part of his success, IMO.

 

Another hypothetical that could be posed....that forcing Trinity to play a schedule comprised of largely quality, out of state opponents could actually attract more players. If next year's schedule is any indication of the foreseeable future, Trinity will be doing quite a lot of traveling, and a lot of out of state teams will be coming to Trinity. It's possible that some players may see it as a "bigger stage" and be drawn to the idea of playing for team that is "bigger" than Kentucky...if that makes sense.

 

In a nutshell, I think that the future is actually quite bright for the Trinity program. IMO, they have history, support and an incredibly solid foundation on which to build. It seems that now there is a "next step" to be taken. With those factors in mind, I think that Trinity will do whatever it takes to continue to improve. I don't expect we'll win every contest, but I do expect that over the course of time, we'll continue to improve, and our success rate will go up.

I have no problem. I find the outlook in Ft. Thomas comical, AKA, we win with this small 3A school draw and we are normally playing against schools with more D1 athletes.

 

Yes we do and no, not normally. You continue to overestimate the impact of a very few players vs populations of a couple hundred more. Close the district and give HHS 200 more students with the rest of 5A and it really, really would be sick after the coaches had 50 more players for 4 years. Not even close in the impact yet you continue to ignore this. Your fantasy isn't funny, it's sad.

Well, there are several things to address here.

 

The first, and biggest, is the supposition that Trinity is motivated to success by what the rest of the state thinks of their excellence. That's not meant to be arrogant, but simply a fact. Having been fortunate enough to have a son play for Trinity, I can 100% attest to the fact that the motivation is internal. To assume that the program will go into decline because those outside the program no longer care is to not understand the program. I am 100% confident that the motivation will still be there.

 

It's a good question though. And I can understand why it would be asked. I hope you can understand my confidence success of the program despite being considered outcasts. I actually think that such a mantle would even further inspire them, to be honest.

 

To be clear, I understand that our success as far as W-L columns go may take a hit. I fully understand the historical data. But, that hasn't stopped us from playing, and it won't. We were very close to being 3-0 against out of state opponents this year. But close only counts in horseshoes. I hope that even those who are detractors can attest to the fact that we don't rest on our laurels after winning, or stop working to improve even more. And in defeat, we take our licks and try to fix the problems and continue to improve. Coach Beatty doesn't let history dictate the future, and that is a big part of his success, IMO.

 

Another hypothetical that could be posed....that forcing Trinity to play a schedule comprised of largely quality, out of state opponents could actually attract more players. If next year's schedule is any indication of the foreseeable future, Trinity will be doing quite a lot of traveling, and a lot of out of state teams will be coming to Trinity. It's possible that some players may see it as a "bigger stage" and be drawn to the idea of playing for team that is "bigger" than Kentucky...if that makes sense.

 

In a nutshell, I think that the future is actually quite bright for the Trinity program. IMO, they have history, support and an incredibly solid foundation on which to build. It seems that now there is a "next step" to be taken. With those factors in mind, I think that Trinity will do whatever it takes to continue to improve. I don't expect we'll win every contest, but I do expect that over the course of time, we'll continue to improve, and our success rate will go up.

 

This is the way Oak Hill became the high school basketball powerhouse it is. Virginia schools refused to schedule them. So they left the VHSAA and scheduled all of high school's best basketball teams from around the country. Now they get players from all over the country, to play on the biggest stage and to be seen by all of the best Division 1 coaches.

Again, we have people on here making excuses and pointing fingers instead of looking in the mirror at how they can improve their program!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

As long as that happens, H & T will continue to separate themselves from everyone else in the state!!!!!!!

 

Go Birds and Go Rocks!

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Yes we do and no, not normally. You continue to overestimate the impact of a very few players vs populations of a couple hundred more. Close the district and give HHS 200 more students with the rest of 5A and it really, really would be sick after the coaches had 50 more players for 4 years. Not even close in the impact yet you continue to ignore this. Your fantasy isn't funny, it's sad.

 

Where would you get these 200 more students? Would they be basketball, cheerleaders, band, academic team, regular students. Highlands has an EXCELLENT school BUT they are a MAGNET football school and they win with a few great players and many good players...........

Again, we have people on here making excuses and pointing fingers instead of looking in the mirror at how they can improve their program!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

As long as that happens, H & T will continue to separate themselves from everyone else in the state!!!!!!!

 

Go Birds and Go Rocks!

 

I think they should play 2 times a year with X added in. That would be 4 great games with great gate a year. Add district games, out of state game and bottem feed off rest of state.

Again, we have people on here making excuses and pointing fingers instead of looking in the mirror at how they can improve their program!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

As long as that happens, H & T will continue to separate themselves from everyone else in the state!!!!!!!

 

Go Birds and Go Rocks!

 

How do you suggest Ryle improves their program to compete with T and X?

Well, there are several things to address here.

 

The first, and biggest, is the supposition that Trinity is motivated to success by what the rest of the state thinks of their excellence. That's not meant to be arrogant, but simply a fact. Having been fortunate enough to have a son play for Trinity, I can 100% attest to the fact that the motivation is internal. To assume that the program will go into decline because those outside the program no longer care is to not understand the program. I am 100% confident that the motivation will still be there.

 

It's a good question though. And I can understand why it would be asked. I hope you can understand my confidence success of the program despite being considered outcasts. I actually think that such a mantle would even further inspire them, to be honest.

 

To be clear, I understand that our success as far as W-L columns go may take a hit. I fully understand the historical data. But, that hasn't stopped us from playing, and it won't. We were very close to being 3-0 against out of state opponents this year. But close only counts in horseshoes. I hope that even those who are detractors can attest to the fact that we don't rest on our laurels after winning, or stop working to improve even more. And in defeat, we take our licks and try to fix the problems and continue to improve. Coach Beatty doesn't let history dictate the future, and that is a big part of his success, IMO.

 

Another hypothetical that could be posed....that forcing Trinity to play a schedule comprised of largely quality, out of state opponents could actually attract more players. If next year's schedule is any indication of the foreseeable future, Trinity will be doing quite a lot of traveling, and a lot of out of state teams will be coming to Trinity. It's possible that some players may see it as a "bigger stage" and be drawn to the idea of playing for team that is "bigger" than Kentucky...if that makes sense.

 

In a nutshell, I think that the future is actually quite bright for the Trinity program. IMO, they have history, support and an incredibly solid foundation on which to build. It seems that now there is a "next step" to be taken. With those factors in mind, I think that Trinity will do whatever it takes to continue to improve. I don't expect we'll win every contest, but I do expect that over the course of time, we'll continue to improve, and our success rate will go up.

 

That is the flip side of the coin and has all the probabilty of happing as what I suggest. There is no doubt T and X are great places to be. there is no doubt that they continue to seperate. I simnply err on the doomsday side of the coin, because history has shown time and again, that when groups, companies, or empires outgrow the normal scope of their groupings they tend to come crashing back to earth. some rebuild smarter and some disappear. I doubt T or X will ever disappear, but I would be willing to bet that those Flagget people felt the same way at one point.

That is the flip side of the coin and has all the probabilty of happing as what I suggest. There is no doubt T and X are great places to be. there is no doubt that they continue to seperate. I simnply err on the doomsday side of the coin, because history has shown time and again, that when groups, companies, or empires outgrow the normal scope of their groupings they tend to come crashing back to earth. some rebuild smarter and some disappear. I doubt T or X will ever disappear, but I would be willing to bet that those Flagget people felt the same way at one point.

 

 

The situation with Flaget was a matter of the changing demographics of the city, that comparison is not even close to valid.

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Yes we do and no, not normally. You continue to overestimate the impact of a very few players vs populations of a couple hundred more. Close the district and give HHS 200 more students with the rest of 5A and it really, really would be sick after the coaches had 50 more players for 4 years. Not even close in the impact yet you continue to ignore this. Your fantasy isn't funny, it's sad.

 

Once again, you estimate that someone having 150-200 more boys in their high school gives them that many football players, which is ridiculous. When a child comes to your school to play football, he is definately going to be a football player. To say that you don't normally have D1 athletes is equally ridiculous. Have you checked the list of D1 athletes that have attended Highlands in the last fifteen years? I would have to ask how many schools in this state do you think have had more?

How do you suggest Ryle improves their program to compete with T and X?

 

For one, I'm told that they will be changing the focus, if you will, of their off season conditioning program to what Highlands does. If what I was told is accurate, in the past it was more focused on the weight lifting aspect and will now be focused more on the conditioning, agility and speed aspects. Obviously strength training is important and Highlands does put a big emphasis on it, but puts a very large emphasis on improving conditioning, agility, quickness and speed. Again, I'm not sure if what I was told Ryle is going to do is accurate, but that was what I was told.

I would think, from the way you described it on another post, that Jefferson County should allow their public coached to become aligned with public youth programs. They should keep anyone associated with private schools away from their youth programs. They should fight harder to keep their players. The state should also eliminate participating in KHSAA acitivities if you don't live in the state, much the same way that other state's have such as Ohio.

 

Curious to know why you feel that way? Are kids from Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia somehow genetically superior to the kids from Ky? If kids from outside the state can attend high school in Ky and compete with Ky resident kids for academic scholarships, Valedictorian, the cheerleading team, the debate team, band positions, etc. etc., why not athletics? If athletics is an important part of the educational process and we should be supporting anything that helps educate the youth of this country, why not athletics? As long as they are paying their way and not burdening the tax payers of the state to pay for their education, I've got no problem with out of state students participating in athletics. But maybe I'm missing something. Help me understand why you feel the way you do about athletics or do you feel KDE should just totally ban out of state kids from attending school in Ky?

Curious to know why you feel that way? Are kids from Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia somehow genetically superior to the kids from Ky? If kids from outside the state can attend high school in Ky and compete with Ky resident kids for academic scholarships, Valedictorian, the cheerleading team, the debate team, band positions, etc. etc., why not athletics? If athletics is an important part of the educational process and we should be supporting anything that helps educate the youth of this country, why not athletics? As long as they are paying their way and not burdening the tax payers of the state to pay for their education, I've got no problem with out of state students participating in athletics. But maybe I'm missing something. Help me understand why you feel the way you do about athletics or do you feel KDE should just totally ban out of state kids from attending school in Ky?

 

Call me crazy, but I think Kentucky High School athletic events should be for students who live in KY. Dont get me wrong, I don't think out of state students should be attending our schools either, but that will never change. So to answer your question, yes, I do think the KDE should ban out of state attendance. However, I don't think it would ever happen.

Once again, you estimate that someone having 150-200 more boys in their high school gives them that many football players, which is ridiculous. When a child comes to your school to play football, he is definately going to be a football player. To say that you don't normally have D1 athletes is equally ridiculous. Have you checked the list of D1 athletes that have attended Highlands in the last fifteen years? I would have to ask how many schools in this state do you think have had more?

 

Have you ?

 

Highlands has D1 players on a regular basis , but how many of those are tuition paying D1 ?

 

Give us some numbers !

Call me crazy, but I think Kentucky High School athletic events should be for students who live in KY. Dont get me wrong, I don't think out of state students should be attending our schools either, but that will never change. So to answer your question, yes, I do think the KDE should ban out of state attendance. However, I don't think it would ever happen.

 

So now you think Highlands is drawing football players from out of state ? Tell me Larry , what states are they coming from and what are their names ?