leatherneck Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Here's an update blog entry from Ryan to his earlier blog entry on the subject: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/preps/2010/04/22/realignment/ Another by the way: Ryan is a great guy and dedicated high school sportswriter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 25 Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Biut they were one of the bolded teams that Namecip already said would be a contender. Thanks not trying to ruffle feathers just wondering were it was going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
History Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 One thing is for certain......the current 6 class alignment isn't working. You have the same teams X + Trinity winning at the top....Highlands always is there, and NCC, Boyle County, Mayfield, Bell County, Beechwood, etc. Maybe it is time to admit there are good football programs and not so good football programs, and if the not so good programs want to get better the way to do it is with hard work, good coaching and dedicated players, parents and administrations. More classes, or making certain certain public schools in large cities win or whatever isn't the way to improve the quality of our state's programs or players. Football shouldn't be the "feel good" panacea for downtrodden communities. As a matter of fact, if those teams do win against less teams, or lesser teams, it will actually diminish their "accomplishment" in the eyes of the others. The best champions and championship games are derived when everybody knows the best two teams are playing....like X vs. Trinity, or Male/Trinity, etc. (Or for UKFan 36 when SK plays Trinity) :scared: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Bath Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Here's an update blog entry from Ryan to his earlier blog entry on the subject: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/preps/2010/04/22/realignment/ Another by the way: Ryan is a great guy and dedicated high school sportswriter. LN, Thanks for the update and accurate information; I wouldn't think this would be great for many. Ryan does a a good job reporting on the NKY scene; and I enjoy his column. In this case I am glad a retraction is being made as it would mean travel for some and I am certain it would diminish some titles for some schools moving forward. I am certain some changes are coming; but that would be very interesting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 It would be a disgrace not to have a 1A title game NOT with the others. Can these schools or players help their enrollment? Dont lessen the achievement by moving it away from the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leatherneck Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 LN, Thanks for the update and accurate information; I wouldn't think this would be great for many. Ryan does a a good job reporting on the NKY scene; and I enjoy his column. In this case I am glad a retraction is being made as it would mean travel for some and I am certain it would diminish some titles for some schools moving forward. I am certain some changes are coming; but that would be very interesting.... No problem. To be clear, Ryan's update post doesn't mean that what his original post stated is not going to happen. It could. But I just wanted it clarified that the "plan" didn't have the official support of the KHSAA; at least not at this time anyway. Heck, for all I know Tackett may like the plan, as koachshr's post seems to indicate, athough the e mail he sent Ryan would indicate that, at a minimum, he is not ready to "officially" indicate such support. We'll all see in due time. Honestly I haven't thought the discussed plan through enough to decide if I like it our not. My original post in this thread was to simply point out that the plan wasn't necessarily something that was "official". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFire Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 This is what I came up with. I used only this past year's boys enrollments (and this year will be a part of the process - not sure if it will be averaged with 08/09 or 10/11), made a rough estimate of the impact of Martha Layne Collins and South Warren (straight split of the number Shelby County had which was 952, 35% of Greenwood's number into South Warren and taking 50 boys from the Warren Central total), and included the special movements up in class that we've had in the past (Highlands, CovCath, Russellville, East Carter - can't remember any others). The number beside the school is their male enrollment. As the KHSAA does when they do realignment, the number is doubled for all-male schools. 6A: St. Xavier 2,912 Trinity (Louisville) 2,762 Scott County 1,142 Henry Clay 1,122 Eastern 1,113 Paul Laurence Dunbar 1,073 Henderson County 1,028 Lafayette 991 PRP 949 Bryan Station 945 Madison Central 888 Central Hardin 869 George Rogers Clark 855 Daviess County 849 Ballard 840 Tates Creek 833 Male 831 Seneca 819 DuPont Manual 804 Simon Kenton 798 Boone County 793 Ryle 786 Meade County 778 Butler 769 Campbell County 739 Muhlenberg County 731 Oldham County 730 Southern 723 Dixie Heights 722 Marshall County 720 Nelson County 720 North Hardin 709 Fern Creek 704 Graves County 700 North Laurel 689 Apollo 683 Christian County 672 5A: Iroquois 668 Grayson County 666 Barren County 660 Bullitt Central 649 South Laurel 645 Montgomery County 643 Pulaski County 642 North Bullitt 637 Conner 636 Harlan County 620 Whitley County 620 Jeffersontown 619 Anderson County 613 Woodford County 613 Bullitt East 611 John Hardin 610 South Oldham 601 Logan County 590 Greenwood 903 Lincoln County 576 Southwestern 573 DeSales 572 Ohio County 571 Grant County 559 Scott 556 East Jessamine 549 Bowling Green 545 Fairdale 540 Franklin County 536 Madison Southern 534 West Jessamine 530 Perry County Central 525 Hopkinsville 524 Madisonville-North Hopkins 522 Atherton 514 Owensboro 514 Mercer County 509 Covington Catholic 496 Highlands 425 4A: Hopkins County Central 508 Knox Central 501 Johnson Central 499 Marion County 499 Clay County 498 Cooper 495 Calloway County 494 Letcher County Central 493 Warren Central 492 Greenup County 489 Lone Oak 485 Waggener 485 Harrison County 482 Doss 481 Shelby County 476 Martha Layne Collins 476 Boyle County 469 Ashland Blazer 466 Spencer County 465 Pendleton County 464 Warren East 463 Western 462 Valley 458 Allen County-Scottsville 454 North Oldham 454 Breckinridge County 446 Rockcastle County 446 Taylor County 442 Rowan County 441 Boyd County 440 Moore 440 Franklin-Simpson 437 Russell County 436 Lexington Catholic 429 Holmes 425 East Carter 419 3A: McCreary Central 417 Mason County 415 Bourbon County 412 Bell County 404 Garrard County 402 Paducah Tilghman 397 Fleming County 393 Corbin 388 Pike County Central 385 Western Hills 382 Lawrence County 380 Fort Campbell 379 East Ridge 378 Lewis County 378 Central 376 Powell County 375 Casey County 373 Edmonson County 373 Knott County Central 373 Wayne County 370 Estill County 369 Adair County 368 South Warren 366 Hart County 366 LaRue County 365 Elizabethtown 362 Magoffin County 362 Henry County 356 Belfry 355 Sheldon Clark 353 Monroe County 341 Jackson County 334 Morgan County 328 Shelby Valley 328 Heath 325 Trigg County 325 Russellville 167 2A: Union County 325 Caldwell County 322 West Carter 322 Webster County 320 Bath County 317 Russell 311 Christian Academy-Louisville 309 Bardstown 303 Carroll County 299 Glasgow 299 Lloyd Memorial 290 Owen County 290 Butler County 289 Shawnee 287 Washington County 284 Green County 278 Danville 277 Todd County Central 276 Leslie County 272 Breathitt County 265 Prestonsburg 264 Newport 260 Reidland 253 Gallatin County 250 Holy Cross (Covington) 250 Hancock County 244 Walton-Verona 243 Metcalfe County 239 Middlesboro 237 Lexington Christian 231 Trimble County 231 Murray 230 Somerset 230 Fort Knox 226 McLean County 225 Betsy Layne 213 1A: Newport Central Catholic 211 Owensboro Catholic 211 Clinton County 210 Crittenden County 208 Allen Central 206 Ballard Memorial 198 Beechwood 197 Nicholas County 191 Bishop Brossart 190 Mayfield 188 Bracken County 187 Pikeville 182 Berea 178 Lynn Camp 170 South Floyd 160 Phelps 157 Raceland 155 Dayton 151 Bethlehem 149 Fairview 148 Ludlow 148 Campbellsville 146 Kentucky Country Day 144 Hazard 143 Holy Cross (Louisville) 128 Frankfort 127 Caverna 126 Harlan 122 Bellevue 121 Paintsville 117 Pineville 106 Fulton County 103 Paris 102 Jenkins 101 Williamsburg 99 Fulton City 73 Eminence 62 Rose Hill 30 There are 223 schools in this. The KHSAA divides that evenly across 6 classes. If the number does not divide perfectly even, they add one to the number beginning with the lowest class. In this case, 222/6 = 37, so the extra school goes into the 1A class, giving them 38 to begin with. NewCath and Owensboro Catholic had an identical number, so I placed them both in 1A. When teams move up in class (like Highlands and CovCath), I don't believe the lowest teams in the class get moved down, so I left those teams put. For instance, Owensboro and Mercer County are the lowest in 5A, but don't move down to 4A just because Highlands and CovCath move up in class to 5A. I think that's how that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFire Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 BTW, just a trivia note. St. Henry has the highest male enrollment of a school that does not play football with 514. They'd be a 5A school if they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 BTW, just a trivia note. St. Henry has the highest male enrollment of a school that does not play football with 514. They'd be a 5A school if they did. Maybe that's why St. Henry keeps avoiding football - having to play 5A. Cov Cath and a few other schools are sure happy they don't field a team. As to Ernst updating his list using boys enrollment in his blog, Highlands fans will like the alignment better using the boys enrollment. Last team to make it into 4A using those numbers. Hopefully the Birds have a lot of boys in this incoming freshman class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westsider Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 BTW, just a trivia note. St. Henry has the highest male enrollment of a school that does not play football with 514. They'd be a 5A school if they did.St. Henry is a coed school ... are you sure they have 514 boys? If so, they've grown immensely in the last year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 St. Henry is a coed school ... are you sure they have 514 boys? If so, they've grown immensely in the last year or two. You are right. That number is total enrollment. They have 268 boys. So now I have no explanation at all why St. Henry doesn't have football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEERFAN Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 I'm almost certain those numbers for SHDHS would be combined enrollment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFire Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 You are right. That number is total enrollment. They have 268 boys. So now I have no explanation at all why St. Henry doesn't have football. Hmmm. Columns must have gotten screwed up on that one when I did the conversion from PDF. I'll have to look again at what the real largest is when I get back to the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonFire Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 OK, checked on it. I was right, St. Henry does have the highest male enrollment of a non-football school, but it's 268 boys. I read the wrong column last time. That amount would make St. Henry a middle of the pack 2A school, still larger than 25% of the schools that do play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachBuckett Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 This is the plan that Julian Tackett is pushing for. I know that for a fact and since he is the most influencial person in high school administration I would say there is a good chance that it passes. Also I believe that the class A would be split into 4 4 team districts and played at a different site than the other championships. Which in my opinion is good because its sad to see a 1A crowd in A big stadium. This i do not know about though. Here is what I think that class A will look like. District 1- Fulton county, Fulton city, Louisville HC, Eminence District 2- Bellevue, Dayton, Fairview, Paintsville District 3- Paris, Frankfort, Campbellsville, and Williamsburg District 4- Phelps, Harlan, Jenkins, Pineville District 1 is tough allignment.. Makes me wish that Fulton city and Fulton Co would consolidate and then alignment would be better If this is what he likes. I think it would make more since travel wise District 1 - Fulton Co. , Fulton City, Lou. Holy Cross, Campbellsville District 2 - Bellevue, Dayton, Eminence, Frankfort District 3 - Paris, Fairview, Paintsville, Williamsburg District 4- Phelps, Harlan, Jenkins, Pinville Now I say this just looking at the state map and not taking in how highways are built. Either way it is a long dirve. If there is going to be 16 teams in Class A. Have no districts, and seed the teams based on points system. Beat 6A team get 60 points Beat 5 A team get 50 points Beat 4 A team get 40 points Beat 3 A team get 30 points Beat 2 A team get 20 points Beat 1 A team get 10 points. Play 6A team get 30 points Play 5 A team get 25 points Play 4 A team get 20 points Play 3 A team get 15 points Play 2 A team get 10 points Play 1 A team get 5 points. So I think what we end up with is Class A teams playing a solid schedule and working to get better. Then you seed them 1-16 and hold a playoff. That way it offers for different match ups every year in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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