January 20, 201016 yr Reid: "He will be seated.....when the proper paperwork has been received." (Per CNBC) The games have begun.
January 20, 201016 yr I wouldn't get too excited, Coakley was a miserable candidate and Brown is about as liberal of a Republican as you'll find. But this does put the Democrats' backs against the wall on healthcare. What about the Dem losses in NJ and VA? Obama may still be liked as an individual, but his far-left agenda is being kicked around in these elections.
January 20, 201016 yr Anyone who doubts a liberal bias in the media needs to look no further than tonight. In a race that was a bellweather on the political mood in the US, only Fox covered Scott Brown's victory acceptance speech?? Watching Rachel Maddow, Keith Obermann, etc. babble on blaming Coakley, and making the point NOT to blame Obama & the Democratic agenda for this historic defeat is pure folly!!!!! A Democratic campaign, in the most democratic state in the union, for Teddy Kennedy's seat, in a campaign where the opponent openly said he would kill Teddy's legacy issue--Healthcare reform--Was won by a Republican who was down 35% points a month ago?? There's some very angry voters out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 20, 201016 yr By the way, I did turn back from the "non-coverage" in time to hear the line of the night-----"To those who mean to do us harm, we will spend our taxpayer's dollars on weapons to defeat you; not on lawyers to defend you!!!!"
January 20, 201016 yr Amazing that the Helath Care Bill being billed as the Ted Kennedy Health Care Bill (even though Ted Kennedy would never have allowed himself to be covered by the Health Care that would be forced on the rest of us) now has the potentially defeating vote delivered by the guy elected to replace Kennedy himself by the voters who sent Kennedy to DC for over 30 years. WOW Now if only one or two Dems will come back to DC after having their butts grilled at home over Christmas break, grow a set and take a stand against this joke of legislation. Reid is toast, the dems have over played their hand. The tide appears to be turning. :dancingpa:dancingpa:dancingpa
January 20, 201016 yr The national implications are undeniable, but I wouldn't be too quick to cast this as a blanket indictment of Obama. Massachusetts elected Mitt Romney to the governor's office a few years ago, and it isn't as Brown knocked a Kennedy out of the Senate. He beat your basic nationally-unknown Democrat, one who by all accounts ran a crappy campaign.
January 20, 201016 yr The national implications are undeniable, but I wouldn't be too quick to cast this as a blanket indictment of Obama. Massachusetts elected Mitt Romney to the governor's office a few years ago, and it isn't as Brown knocked a Kennedy out of the Senate. He beat your basic nationally-unknown Democrat, one who by all accounts ran a crappy campaign. Certainly seems to be an indictment of the Health Care plan he wants pushed through. Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters in the state say health care was the most important factor in their voting decision. Brown made it clear in the closing days of the campaign that he intended to go to Washington to vote against the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. Twenty-five percent (25%) of Massachusetts voters say the economy was most important. Forty-seven percent (47%) favor the health care legislation before Congress while 51% oppose it. However, the intensity was clearly with those who are opposed. Just 25% of voters in Massachusetts Strongly Favor the plan while 41% Strongly Oppose it. Fifty percent (50%) say it would be better to pass no health care legislation at all rather than passing the bill before Congress. Link
January 20, 201016 yr Interesting numbers here. In the end, Brown pulled off the upset in large part because he won unaffiliated voters by a 73% to 25% margin. The senator-elect also picked up 23% of the vote from Democrats. [Our polling shows that 53% of voters in Massachusetts are Democrats, 21% Republican and 26% not affiliated with either party.] Coakley also barely carried a usually reliable Democratic constituency. Union workers went for her by just six points, 52% to 46%.
January 20, 201016 yr Those of you whom are Democrats need to stop squirming and resign yourselves to what this is (an indictment of the President's policy agenda) and those of you whom are Republicans need to resign yourselves to what this is (an election of a non-conservative Republican). While it may hail immediate satisfaction, long-term I'd rather have somebody else.
January 20, 201016 yr Those of you whom are Democrats need to stop squirming and resign yourselves to what this is (an indictment of the President's policy agenda) and those of you whom are Republicans need to resign yourselves to what this is (an election of a non-conservative Republican). While it may hail immediate satisfaction, long-term I'd rather have somebody else. A well-reasoned post. For those of us who believe that the likes of Al Franken rode in on President Obama's coattails and anti-GWB sentiment; it would be naive to believe that the opposite couldn't possibly be true in this case to a significant degree.
January 20, 201016 yr Those of you whom are Democrats need to stop squirming and resign yourselves to what this is (an indictment of the President's policy agenda) and those of you whom are Republicans need to resign yourselves to what this is (an election of a non-conservative Republican). While it may hail immediate satisfaction, long-term I'd rather have somebody else. When my house is on fire, I need firemen willing and able to put the fire out, save my family and property. I couldn't care less at that point what their personal beliefs about abortion, gay marriage, school vouchers or other issues might be. Once the fire is out and the immediate threat is neutralized, we can get into the other issues. I'm certainly not going to turn away the only fireman in the vicinity willing to staunch the conflagration because we might not agree on religious or social issues.
January 20, 201016 yr When my house is on fire, I need firemen willing and able to put the fire out, save my family and property. I couldn't care less at that point what their personal beliefs about abortion, gay marriage, school vouchers or other issues might be. Once the fire is out and the immediate threat is neutralized, we can get into the other issues. I'm certainly not going to turn away the only fireman in the vicinity willing to staunch the conflagration because we might not agree on religious or social issues. :lol:
January 20, 201016 yr I wouldn't get too excited, Coakley was a miserable candidate and Brown is about as liberal of a Republican as you'll find. But this does put the Democrats' backs against the wall on healthcare. Still, in MA that hasn't mattered much in the past and coming on the heels of the other two recent elections there is a lot to be excited about, or concerned about as the case may be. Here's Jim Webb's take on it. "In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process. It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated." Edited January 20, 201016 yr by 75center
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