November 18, 200817 yr In high school, most of my friends were Catholic and I always got a kick out of going to their families' get togethers because beer was always involved and 21 was only a number. I once considered converting to Catholicism while in college because then I could drink but wouldn't go to hell.
November 18, 200817 yr There is justifiable anger, in which it's an honest emotion, and then there are those who allow anger to take control, at which point it's a sin. For instance, anger is justifiable when it's the reaction to an injustice. But, a person who allows themselves to become overtaken by anger and strikes out in such a manner, is sinning. Would justifiable anger be like if I caught my wife in bed with another man and I took a ball bat to both of them? That would be justified.
November 18, 200817 yr :thumb: I am not the person who would try to "religisize" anyone, TRUST ME! I am right there with you! By the way my opinion on the topic is no unless it is in excess!
November 18, 200817 yr What he's thinking about is most definitely a sin............ As is the woman behind him.:laugh:
November 18, 200817 yr Maybe thats his wife and his twin sister at the bar, so are we judging? Which is a sin. I'm just trying to add a little humor (which I'm not good at) instead of a bible verse.
November 18, 200817 yr Would justifiable anger be like if I caught my wife in bed with another man and I took a ball bat to both of them? That would be justified. That is overreacting. You would be justified to be angry, but not to do something like that. What he's thinking about is most definitely a sin............ As well as what he is drinking.
November 18, 200817 yr I'd say that the answer to the bolded is yes, as we all are sinners. Now though is she a sinner because of her job, no, she's following the laws of the land which say that her job is legal. I don't agree with the line of reasoning you use. Do the laws of the land supersede God? This specific example aside, just because the law of the United States declares something is "legal" doesn't mean it is acceptable to God or isn't a sin.
November 18, 200817 yr I don't agree with the line of reasoning you use. Do the laws of the land supersede God? This specific example aside, just because the law of the United States declares something is "legal" doesn't mean it is acceptable to God or isn't a sin. I'm taking the ten commandments approach to this.... and in this regard, then she would not be at fault, really I don't think anyone that distributes alcohol is sinning. It's the person who can't control their consumption that is sinning, there could be some restraint used by the distributor(bar tender), it does say in the bible not to tempt your brother into commiting sin, can't remember where, maybe Proverbs??? But there is a fine line between tempting them and allowing them to sin. As for the laws of god being superseded by the law of the land, I don't think they are, but if you ask a Supreme Court Judge that....
November 18, 200817 yr Author I don't agree with the line of reasoning you use. Do the laws of the land supersede God? This specific example aside, just because the law of the United States declares something is "legal" doesn't mean it is acceptable to God or isn't a sin. I'm surprised it took someone this long to respond to my scenario with this answer. So, she is or isn't a sinner because she sells liquor/wine?
November 18, 200817 yr I don't agree with the line of reasoning you use. Do the laws of the land supersede God? This specific example aside, just because the law of the United States declares something is "legal" doesn't mean it is acceptable to God or isn't a sin.[/QUOTE] I was referring to this specific example.
November 18, 200817 yr I'm taking the ten commandments approach to this.... and in this regard, then she would not be at fault, really I don't think anyone that distributes alcohol is sinning. It's the person who can't control their consumption that is sinning, there could be some restraint used by the distributor(bar tender), it does say in the bible not to tempt your brother into commiting sin, can't remember where, maybe Proverbs??? But there is a fine line between tempting them and allowing them to sin. As for the laws of god being superseded by the law of the land, I don't think they are, but if you ask a Supreme Court Judge that.... I'm not addressing the specific example of his wife working at a liquor store, but rather the line of reasoning you used to conclude she wasn't sinning. I don't think we can say something is or isn't a sin based on whether the law of the land deems it legal or illegal. For starters, the law of our land may differ from somewhere else. For example, its illegal to sell alcohol in some counties, but not others. Who is right? Or is there no absolute? Does it merely depend on where you are and how the majority feels about something or how it happens to be legislated there? That's my point.
November 18, 200817 yr I'm surprised it took someone this long to respond to my scenario with this answer. So, she is or isn't a sinner because she sells liquor/wine? I don't know. Without thinking too deeply about it, I'd be inclined to say no... I do think the responsibility falls on those consuming the alcohol. However, if there are certain people that I know to be alcoholics or who regularly partake in dangerous behavior when they drink (drunk driving, violence, etc.), then perhaps it could be a sin to sell them alcohol when you know what they do with it. Additionally, we're instructed to use discretion with our Christian liberty if our actions could lead others to stumble. So, to be honest, I don't think I'm qualified to determine whether your wife is sinning by selling wine/liquor as part of her job. I think the answer could vary depending on the customers. I can tell you that I would personally have a hard time working a job that centers around alcohol and its distribution.
November 18, 200817 yr Didn't just about everyone in the bible drink wine? God asked for wine as a sacrifice in the old testament, also. I would also venture to say that the wine they produced then would probably have made us howl at the moon after just a little imbibement. I don't think drinking is a sin. If it is, better people than us have some explaining to do. Jesus turnd some high quality H2O into wine, if I remember right. That was consumed by someone, and if the Son of God can produce wine, why can't it be consumed? Who wants to tell him it was wrong?
November 18, 200817 yr As far as the other sinning, what if we work at Wal-Mart and they sell alcohol? What if I work at the Corbin Wal-mart, which does not, but the corporation as a whole does sell it at different locations? I am still getting some of the fruits (my pay) from the sale of it. Same if I go to a facility that sells food and also alcohol, but is in a dry area and does not sell alcohol. What about cigarettes? They can kill "the temple" that is you. The "sin spin" can be put on about anything. Distribution of the alcohol does not make you the bad guy. I'm sure that there are as many people who do not over do it as do. If you do believe it (distribution) does make it a sin, you may want to take a look at where you work and see what all is included in the company portfolio. You could be working for a firm that also brings in revenue from alcohol or tobacco and not even know it. Therefore, you are a recepient of the proceeds from the distribution, also, even though you are not with that particular division of the firm. Think about it. A fact like that could put you into at least shallow hypocritical waters.
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