I really don't desire to get drunk anymore, it may happen accidentally when I'm out with a group, but it's never my goal. Honestly I don't drink much past where I could drive if there was an emergency, and no; trips to white castles at 4 am do not constitute as an emergency.

You are certainly not the only person to misinterpret the difference in wine and strong drink. I believe any time we study we need to make sure we are guided by the holy spirit and prayer. Here is another study that makes more sense to me.

 

A lot of people think that the Bible condones drinking of alcohol because it talks about wine. They say, “Didn’t Jesus make wine for a wedding?”

 

What many people don’t know is that the word “wine” in the Bible is a generic term. The context (words before and after the word wine) in each case indicates whether it was fermented or not.

 

In, Isaiah 16:10b, grape juice is called “wine” (yayin) when it is still in the press, saying, "No treaders will tread out wine in the presses" where it clearly cannot be fermented yet.

 

Now, “Did Jesus make alcohol for the wedding in Cana? We find the story in, John 2:1-11, in the New Testament.

 

The person in charge of the wedding, after he had tasted the wine Jesus had just made, commented…”you have kept the good wine until now.” Good wine was fresh grape juice, the fermented grape juice was considered inferior.

 

Another way we know that this was not an alcoholic drink is because Jesus always obeyed the Father. In, Proverbs 23:31 and 32 it commands, “Do not look on the wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it swirls around smoothly; at the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like a viper.” No, Jesus did NOT make a fermented wine at this wedding, but rather He gave a wedding gift of at least 120 gallons of fresh unfermented grape juice.

 

In another place in the Bible, Deuteronomy 32:33, it says fermented wine is poison. Alcohol is a toxic mind-altering drug. Alcohol causes ill effects on the digestive, muscular, skeletal, nervous and circulatory systems. It causes cirrhosis of the liver, jaundice, pancreatitis, and blackouts along with many other sicknesses.

 

The Bible says wine is a mocker, intoxicating drink arouses fights, whoever is led astray by it is not wise! Proverbs 20:1

 

We need to trust God’s Word, God does not lie. The misunderstanding is with us; because in our culture all wine is fermented, but not in the Bible.

 

Some people also think the Bible encourages drinking of a little alcohol because Paul told Timothy, “Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your often infirmities.” Paul was telling Timothy to drink grape juice for medicinal purposes. Remember the Bible does not use the word “grape juice”, but always the word “wine” which can be either fermented or unfermented depending on the context.

 

Getting drunk should not be taken lightly because the Bible says: “Don’t you know that those who live immoral lives, who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals-will have no share in His Kingdom. Neither thieves or greedy people, ‘drunkards’, slanderers, or robbers.” 1 Cor. 6:10.

 

http://bible-christian.org/wine.html

 

With the utmost of due respect, mr. wong, and I do appreciate the effort at research, the Hebrew word yah-yin that you have here cited (and the similar

Greek word used in the wedding at Canae) is an ancient word and means "fermented wine." Thus, it is the word yah-yin which was used to describe the wine Noah drank, and became drunk on, in Genesis 9:20-21. He would not have become drunk on grape juice, and the Hebrew word did not alter in meaning. I believe that many churches try to justify Jesus' consumption of fermented wine by attempting to disambiguate as grape juice.

 

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2004/20041126.htm

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You are certainly not the only person to misinterpret the difference in wine and strong drink. I believe any time we study we need to make sure we are guided by the holy spirit and prayer. Here is another study that makes more sense to me.

A lot of people think that the Bible condones drinking of alcohol because it talks about wine. They say, “Didn’t Jesus make wine for a wedding?”

 

What many people don’t know is that the word “wine” in the Bible is a generic term. The context (words before and after the word wine) in each case indicates whether it was fermented or not.

 

In, Isaiah 16:10b, grape juice is called “wine” (yayin) when it is still in the press, saying, "No treaders will tread out wine in the presses" where it clearly cannot be fermented yet.

 

Now, “Did Jesus make alcohol for the wedding in Cana? We find the story in, John 2:1-11, in the New Testament.

 

The person in charge of the wedding, after he had tasted the wine Jesus had just made, commented…”you have kept the good wine until now.” Good wine was fresh grape juice, the fermented grape juice was considered inferior.

 

Another way we know that this was not an alcoholic drink is because Jesus always obeyed the Father. In, Proverbs 23:31 and 32 it commands, “Do not look on the wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it swirls around smoothly; at the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like a viper.” No, Jesus did NOT make a fermented wine at this wedding, but rather He gave a wedding gift of at least 120 gallons of fresh unfermented grape juice.

 

In another place in the Bible, Deuteronomy 32:33, it says fermented wine is poison. Alcohol is a toxic mind-altering drug. Alcohol causes ill effects on the digestive, muscular, skeletal, nervous and circulatory systems. It causes cirrhosis of the liver, jaundice, pancreatitis, and blackouts along with many other sicknesses.

 

The Bible says wine is a mocker, intoxicating drink arouses fights, whoever is led astray by it is not wise! Proverbs 20:1

 

We need to trust God’s Word, God does not lie. The misunderstanding is with us; because in our culture all wine is fermented, but not in the Bible.

 

Some people also think the Bible encourages drinking of a little alcohol because Paul told Timothy, “Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your often infirmities.” Paul was telling Timothy to drink grape juice for medicinal purposes. Remember the Bible does not use the word “grape juice”, but always the word “wine” which can be either fermented or unfermented depending on the context.

 

Getting drunk should not be taken lightly because the Bible says: “Don’t you know that those who live immoral lives, who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals-will have no share in His Kingdom. Neither thieves or greedy people, ‘drunkards’, slanderers, or robbers.” 1 Cor. 6:10.

 

http://bible-christian.org/wine.html

 

 

I find it ironic that you say to study the scriptures and be faithful to them, then you use a quote from Isaiah (Hebrew) and compare it to the fact that the Greek word for wine "has many meanings." So how do we go from the meaning of a Hebraic word and compare it to a Greek word when the two are from different languages? The Hebrew word you cite is not immediately transliterated as the Greek word cited in John's gospel. You are doing apples to oranges, not to mention context violation.

 

Even the greatest Greek scholar of the 20th century (A.T. Robertson) noted in his commentary Word Pictures in the New Testament, that the word used is for wine. On page 37 of his commentary on John in the series:

 

It is real wine that is meant by oinos here. Unlike the Baptist Jesus mingled in the social life of his time, was even abused for it. But this fact does not mean that today Jesus would approve the modern liquor trade with its strong influences. The law of love expounded by Paul . . . teaches modern Christians to be willing gladly to give up what they see causes so many to stumble into sin.

 

I printed his last piece of commentary because that is the crux of the question and issue. :thumb:

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To me if drinking is a sin, so is anger. I personally don't think they are but I do believe if one can't control his drinking or his anger it will lead to sin.

So, my wife works for a liquor and wine wholesale distributor.....is she a sinner??

So, my wife works for a liquor and wine wholesale distributor.....is she a sinner??

 

If she is sleeping with him then yes I feel certain that she is, if not then I say not sinning at all.

So, my wife works for a liquor and wine wholesale distributor.....is she a sinner??

 

I'd say that the answer to the bolded is yes, as we all are sinners. Now though is she a sinner because of her job, no, she's following the laws of the land which say that her job is legal.

Some great points on here, and I can't add anymore. Romans 14:21 tells us not to eat or drink anything if it causes our brother to stumble. So, you would never ever see me even to pretend to drink. It would hurt my witness with others.

 

Something I don't understand is how I love going to college football games and seeing the drinking going on, this is at all schools. So how do you enjoy the game/waiting in line/opposing fans/and trying to get out of a traffic jam? If you have been drinking. Its hard for me when I never drink.

 

If I go to someones house and they want to have a drink or two it wouldn't bother me. Now my 11 year old might say something to them.

 

About the wedding. Jesus and the disciples were there due to Mary being invited, so when she ask Jesus to make more wine it was important to her. The wedding feast lasts about a week so there was a good reason to run out. This was wine and not juice. If it was juice there would be no big deal over the taste or the desire to have more.

 

I had a buddy when I was 17 who got dropped off at my home because my Mom was "cool" and he couldn't go home. He was totally wasted. One hour later he threw up on my parents sofa. I talkin big time here. I still remember the stink of it. My Mom was cool.

If we're all sinners then why does it even matter?

To me if drinking is a sin, so is anger. I personally don't think they are but I do believe if one can't control his drinking or his anger it will lead to sin.

 

There is justifiable anger, in which it's an honest emotion, and then there are those who allow anger to take control, at which point it's a sin. For instance, anger is justifiable when it's the reaction to an injustice. But, a person who allows themselves to become overtaken by anger and strikes out in such a manner, is sinning.

I'm thinking about having a few frosty sins during MNF tonight! :banana:

 

On a serious note, to sin I believe there must be intent, that is to say full knowledge that what you are doing is wrong. If the bartender makes your drinks too strong, and you get drunk when you did not realize it was going to hit you so fast, that is different than slamming beers for the sole purpose of losing your decision making ability.

I'm thinking about having a few frosty sins during MNF tonight! :banana:

 

On a serious note, to sin I believe there must be intent, that is to say full knowledge that what you are doing is wrong. If the bartender makes your drinks too strong, and you get drunk when you did not realize it was going to hit you so fast, that is different than slamming beers for the sole purpose of losing your decision making ability.

:lol: I like that. Intent to sin.

I can't stand this kinds of threads....

If we're all sinners then why does it even matter?

Becuause we should look to determine what our sins our and minimize them.

I can't stand this kinds of threads....

Too much agreeing?

Becuause we should look to determine what our sins our and minimize them.

 

Too much agreeing?

 

Nope, the fact that all the supposed Christians on here seem to try to jam their religious beliefs down everyone's throats by using a Scripture verse here, a Scripture verse there....It just gets old....