good people sin all the time...

 

 

This is true.

What if a group of friends go out, have a great time, drink a little too much (enough to get "drunk"), have a DD and then go home and go to bed? Would that be sinful?

What if a group of friends go out, have a great time, drink a little too much (enough to get "drunk"), have a DD and then go home and go to bed? Would that be sinful?

Do your friends profess to be Christians? Do their actions bring reproach upon Jesus? I don't particularly think that the DD has anything to do with it.

lbbc nailed it. Drinking isn't a sin, drunkeness is. Same goes for food. Eating isn't a sin. Gluttony is.

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The Bible talks about drunkeness being a sin. So, drunkeness would be a sin. Drinking, unless it leads to drunkeness, would not.

 

One of the things to consider is that Jesus' first miracle was turning water to wine.

 

What blood alcohol level is drunkeness? .08?

Jesus not only turned the vessels of water into wine, he turned it into the "best wine" usually served to guests first. I do not believe that the author, or God, intended for that to refer to "grape juice."

Jesus not only turned the vessels of water into wine, he turned it into the "best wine" usually served to guests first. I do not believe that the author, or God, intended for that to refer to "grape juice."

 

:thumb: That story is one of the best blessings I give couples in many of my wedding ceremonies. I always tell the story that the best wine was the last wine. If you invite Jesus to the wedding feast of your lives you will discover the best wine is yet to come. :thumb:

What blood alcohol level is drunkeness? .08?

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

The Bible often refers to new wine or strong drink etc. There is a difference. Wine ie the juice of the vine. I do not believe you can make new wine alcoholic. Wine has to ferment to be alcoholic.

Apparently I'm a pretty frequent sinner.

If it is, I'll have some answering to do one of these days.

The Bible often refers to new wine or strong drink etc. There is a difference. Wine ie the juice of the vine. I do not believe you can make new wine alcoholic. Wine has to ferment to be alcoholic.

 

Ran across an interesting article discussing this very issue:

 

Here's an excerpt from it:

 

Let’s see what the Bible says about wine, particularly in those passages that often have been misinterpreted by those who claim that wine in the Bible is actually grape juice.

 

The Parable of the wine and the wineskins (Matthew 9:17, Mark 2:22, Luke 5:37-39) obviously speaks of fermented wine because grape juice would not burst the wineskins. To understand this and other verses concerning wine, let us look at the Greek word for wine: INOS (onoV). This is the root word for INOPNEVMA (onopneuma) or alcohol, and INOPOTIS (onopothV) or wine-drinker. The Greek term for grape juice is KHIMOS STAFILIOU (cumoV stafuliou) or juice of the grape… and this is not the term used in the Bible.

 

Jesus was accused of being a winebibber in Matthew 11:19. If they called Him gluttonous, is it because He was a glutton? Or is it because He was eating, unlike John the Baptist who was not eating (Matthew 11:18)? And if they called Him a winebibber, was it because He was getting drunk with wine? Or is it because He was drinking wine? The Greek word here is wine drinker (onopothV). If Jesus had been drinking grape juice, why would they call Him a wine drinker and a glutton?

 

Of course, we know that Jesus neither ate nor drank excessively. See also Luke 5:30, 33, 37-39; 7:33-34. "And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better.'" (Luke 5:39) If Jesus never drank wine, why would he make this comment about old wine being better? Why would he say "no one" unless drinking wine was a common practice. See Luke 10:7.

 

Jesus made wine at the wedding in Cana (John 2:3-10), his first miracle. Again, the Greek word used here is wine (onon). If Jesus was against the use of wine, why did He not use this perfect opportunity to clearly tell those present that drinking wine was sinful? On the contrary, He gave them an even better grade of wine. To say that the guests at the wedding were drinking grape juice and that Jesus gave them better grape juice is to stretch the truth and reason to the extreme.

 

In I Timothy 3:3, one of the qualifications of a bishop is that he not be an excessive drinker of wine. If wine here means grape juice, what is wrong with drinking too much grape juice? The Greek words used here mean "not given to drunkenness" (mh onw pollw). In verse 8, the deacons are also instructed to be worthy of respect, sincere and not indulging in "much wine." This verse, too, is referring to fermented wine and not to grape juice.

 

I Timothy 5:23 says, "Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine..." The Greek words here are exactly "a little wine" (onw oligw). Why only a little? What is wrong with much grape juice? Of course, Paul was warning Timothy not to indulge himself in excessive drinking of wine.

 

Here's the link to the whole article:

 

http://www.templebaptistmontreal.com/bibleandwine.htm

Apparently I'm a pretty frequent sinner.

 

If it is, I'll have some answering to do one of these days.

 

:thumb: If it is, I'm in big trouble....:lol:

 

To answer the original question, absolutely not.

Ran across an interesting article discussing this very issue:

 

Here's an excerpt from it:

 

Let’s see what the Bible says about wine, particularly in those passages that often have been misinterpreted by those who claim that wine in the Bible is actually grape juice.

 

The Parable of the wine and the wineskins (Matthew 9:17, Mark 2:22, Luke 5:37-39) obviously speaks of fermented wine because grape juice would not burst the wineskins. To understand this and other verses concerning wine, let us look at the Greek word for wine: INOS (onoV). This is the root word for INOPNEVMA (onopneuma) or alcohol, and INOPOTIS (onopothV) or wine-drinker. The Greek term for grape juice is KHIMOS STAFILIOU (cumoV stafuliou) or juice of the grape… and this is not the term used in the Bible.

 

Jesus was accused of being a winebibber in Matthew 11:19. If they called Him gluttonous, is it because He was a glutton? Or is it because He was eating, unlike John the Baptist who was not eating (Matthew 11:18)? And if they called Him a winebibber, was it because He was getting drunk with wine? Or is it because He was drinking wine? The Greek word here is wine drinker (onopothV). If Jesus had been drinking grape juice, why would they call Him a wine drinker and a glutton?

 

Of course, we know that Jesus neither ate nor drank excessively. See also Luke 5:30, 33, 37-39; 7:33-34. "And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better.'" (Luke 5:39) If Jesus never drank wine, why would he make this comment about old wine being better? Why would he say "no one" unless drinking wine was a common practice. See Luke 10:7.

 

Jesus made wine at the wedding in Cana (John 2:3-10), his first miracle. Again, the Greek word used here is wine (onon). If Jesus was against the use of wine, why did He not use this perfect opportunity to clearly tell those present that drinking wine was sinful? On the contrary, He gave them an even better grade of wine. To say that the guests at the wedding were drinking grape juice and that Jesus gave them better grape juice is to stretch the truth and reason to the extreme.

 

In I Timothy 3:3, one of the qualifications of a bishop is that he not be an excessive drinker of wine. If wine here means grape juice, what is wrong with drinking too much grape juice? The Greek words used here mean "not given to drunkenness" (mh onw pollw). In verse 8, the deacons are also instructed to be worthy of respect, sincere and not indulging in "much wine." This verse, too, is referring to fermented wine and not to grape juice.

 

I Timothy 5:23 says, "Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine..." The Greek words here are exactly "a little wine" (onw oligw). Why only a little? What is wrong with much grape juice? Of course, Paul was warning Timothy not to indulge himself in excessive drinking of wine.

 

Here's the link to the whole article:

 

http://www.templebaptistmontreal.com/bibleandwine.htm

 

You are certainly not the only person to misinterpret the difference in wine and strong drink. I believe any time we study we need to make sure we are guided by the holy spirit and prayer. Here is another study that makes more sense to me.

 

A lot of people think that the Bible condones drinking of alcohol because it talks about wine. They say, “Didn’t Jesus make wine for a wedding?”

 

What many people don’t know is that the word “wine” in the Bible is a generic term. The context (words before and after the word wine) in each case indicates whether it was fermented or not.

 

In, Isaiah 16:10b, grape juice is called “wine” (yayin) when it is still in the press, saying, "No treaders will tread out wine in the presses" where it clearly cannot be fermented yet.

 

Now, “Did Jesus make alcohol for the wedding in Cana? We find the story in, John 2:1-11, in the New Testament.

 

The person in charge of the wedding, after he had tasted the wine Jesus had just made, commented…”you have kept the good wine until now.” Good wine was fresh grape juice, the fermented grape juice was considered inferior.

 

Another way we know that this was not an alcoholic drink is because Jesus always obeyed the Father. In, Proverbs 23:31 and 32 it commands, “Do not look on the wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it swirls around smoothly; at the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like a viper.” No, Jesus did NOT make a fermented wine at this wedding, but rather He gave a wedding gift of at least 120 gallons of fresh unfermented grape juice.

 

In another place in the Bible, Deuteronomy 32:33, it says fermented wine is poison. Alcohol is a toxic mind-altering drug. Alcohol causes ill effects on the digestive, muscular, skeletal, nervous and circulatory systems. It causes cirrhosis of the liver, jaundice, pancreatitis, and blackouts along with many other sicknesses.

 

The Bible says wine is a mocker, intoxicating drink arouses fights, whoever is led astray by it is not wise! Proverbs 20:1

 

We need to trust God’s Word, God does not lie. The misunderstanding is with us; because in our culture all wine is fermented, but not in the Bible.

 

Some people also think the Bible encourages drinking of a little alcohol because Paul told Timothy, “Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your often infirmities.” Paul was telling Timothy to drink grape juice for medicinal purposes. Remember the Bible does not use the word “grape juice”, but always the word “wine” which can be either fermented or unfermented depending on the context.

 

Getting drunk should not be taken lightly because the Bible says: “Don’t you know that those who live immoral lives, who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals-will have no share in His Kingdom. Neither thieves or greedy people, ‘drunkards’, slanderers, or robbers.” 1 Cor. 6:10.

 

http://bible-christian.org/wine.html

Never understood the desire to get drunk on a regular basis.