October 30, 200817 yr Right, but, as AverageJoe said, they have a conference championship. I knew about the 12-team requirement, just slipped my mind. Anybody know how long that rule has been around, and why it was implemented? In theory, I actually like the BCS. It typically creates pretty good matchups throughout the bowl season too. I think if the NCAA could somehow level the field among conferences, the BCS formula would be much more effective. And by that I mean get everybody on the same page regarding conference championships. It goes back to the 1992 season when the SEC expanded to 12 teams and split into divisions. Why the NCAA allowed it to happen or their reasoning, I'm not sure. However, I'd say it had to do with $$$$
October 30, 200817 yr Why can't / doesn't the NCAA crack down on the scheduling of lesser non-conference opponents?
October 30, 200817 yr Why can't / doesn't the NCAA crack down on the scheduling of lesser non-conference opponents? Someone had a good article on a thread a while back that explained this very well. The big time programs spend so much money that they need as many home games as they can get. Using UK for an example, they cant get a Nebraska, Texas Tech, Maryland, Illinois, or teams like these to come to Ky without a home and home set up. Whereas, they can pay a Middle Tenn, Kent St, North Texas, Louisiana-Lafayette, etc., to come to Commonwealth in return for monetary compensation that would be more to them that had they played at home. It is a tricky situation. There was an article on here about Colorado that explained it much better than I did!
October 30, 200817 yr Why can't / doesn't the NCAA crack down on the scheduling of lesser non-conference opponents? 1. It's not fair to the smaller/lesser non BCS schools. Those games are generally big pay days for them plus it gives their program some exposure they wouldn't otherwise get. 2. It isn't their place to tell a team who they can and can't play.
October 30, 200817 yr It goes back to the 1992 season when the SEC expanded to 12 teams and split into divisions. Why the NCAA allowed it to happen or their reasoning, I'm not sure. However, I'd say it had to do with $$$$ I think the rule goes back further than that. I'm quoting a book by Stewart Mandel of Sports Illustrated. In the 1980s the Pennsylvania Athletic Conference (Division II) had 12 (maybe more) teams and realized they could play a championship game to bring in more money (as you mentioned) for their schools. The NCAA had no rule against this. It never got off the ground, however, because the playoff setup in D-II didn't allow an open week for the championship to be played. Prior to 1992, Roy Kramer, SEC commissioner, brought out this example. By adding South Carolina and Arkansas, the SEC could hold a championship game and bring even more exposure and money to the league. Many other conferences followed, including the Big XII and ACC. Conference USA and the MAC also hold title games. The Western Athletic Conference held a championship game for a few years, as well, before eight of their members left to form the Mountain West Conference.
October 30, 200817 yr This is articulating what we've been saying all along. My problem is not with the BCS. It is with the lack of uniformity in college football. If the Big 10 (11) had a Conference Championship Game then I wouldn't have a problem. The fact that they do not bothers me. So does the fact that they do not play all of the top teams in their own conference. In short, until the Big 10 gets a conference championship game, they'll continue to be a sham. What good would it do to have them play another terrible team, but a week later than the usual end to their season? Michigan bringing the spread to the conference will make the conference stronger in a few years. I could care less if Penn St can beat Minnesota.
October 30, 200817 yr With that said, I think Penn State will be in the national title game this year and they have a decent shot at winning it all. We'll see who they're matched up against. I agree any team w/ talent can win one game if they get a few breaks and they play well. The biggest thing IMO is if they played 8 SEC or Big 12 schools they would lose at least 2 games. The true national championship this year should be whoever wins the Big 12 title against whoever wins the SEC title. USC should get to destroy Penn St.
October 30, 200817 yr I agree any team w/ talent can win one game if they get a few breaks and they play well. The biggest thing IMO is if they played 8 SEC or Big 12 schools they would lose at least 2 games. The true national championship this year should be whoever wins the Big 12 title against whoever wins the SEC title. USC should get to destroy Penn St. Thats a good way to look at it....the SEC winner v. the Big 12 winner for the national title. But, Im telling you, if Penn St is undefeated, they will be there! I just dont think Alabama, or Texas/Texas Tech for that matter, will win out. I know! Lets stop all the arguing....Penn St v. Boise St for all the marbles!!:laugh:
October 30, 200817 yr Guys lets be honest, the Conference Cahmpionship games were largely added out of greed. The Big Ten doesn't have one. If this were the SEC you'd be saying how smart they were that they are giving their teams this advantage at greater exposure and better chance at the NC.
October 30, 200817 yr Guys lets be honest, the Conference Cahmpionship games were largely added out of greed. The Big Ten doesn't have one. If this were the SEC you'd be saying how smart they were that they are giving their teams this advantage at greater exposure and better chance at the NC. Very good points. :thumb::thumb:
October 30, 200817 yr Guys lets be honest, the Conference Cahmpionship games were largely added out of greed. The Big Ten doesn't have one. If this were the SEC you'd be saying how smart they were that they are giving their teams this advantage at greater exposure and better chance at the NC. To me, the Big Ten is smart. I've always thought the conference championship was one more hurdle for a team to jump, whereas a team like Penn State (or Ohio State in the past) doesn't have to get that one more huge win. Of course the counter to that is that one more big win could push your computer numbers over the Big Ten winner.
October 30, 200817 yr Guys lets be honest, the Conference Cahmpionship games were largely added out of greed. The Big Ten doesn't have one. If this were the SEC you'd be saying how smart they were that they are giving their teams this advantage at greater exposure and better chance at the NC. Maybe, but I am not going to complain about getting to watch more good football regardless of why the games were added.
October 31, 200817 yr 2001 Miami 37, Nebraska 14 2002 Ohio State 31, Miami 24 2003 LSU 21, Oklahoma 14 2004 Southern California 55, Oklahoma 19 2005 Texas 41, Southern California 38 2006 Florida 41, Ohio State 14 2007 LSU 38, Ohio State 24 SEC 3-0 Big East 1-1 Pac 10 1-1 Big 10 1-2 Big 12 1-3 Seems the Big 12 sucks the most. But if I'm not mistaken didn't Oklahoma win the National title in 2000 and that was a BCS Title game. So they just suck where the poster cuts it off at.
October 31, 200817 yr The most tried and true formula for reaching the BCS championship game is as follows: 1. Play an easy non-conference schedule. 2. Belong to the Big Ten. Four times in Joe Paterno’s career at Penn State he’s coached undefeated teams and didn’t win a national title. This year, at 9-0, ranked No. 3 in the BCS standings and facing the easiest road among contenders over the final six weeks, he’s poised for a trip to Miami to win it all. Don’t say you can’t teach an old Lion some new tricks. Penn State needs a little help from one of the teams ahead of him, Texas and Alabama. They play in higher-caliber conferences and face multiple major tests away from home. If history is any measure, one, if not both, will lose. Penn State faces Iowa, Indiana and Michigan State. Only the home game against the Spartans presents any meaningful challenge. The lack of a Big Ten conference championship game means Paterno can cozy up before Thanksgiving and watch everyone kill each other off. This riveting system is what BCS apologists call a playoff, even if not everyone has to face playoff competition. There is no logic to the illogical way college football crowns its champions though. So this is what you get – a nation of fans already howling that Penn State is running an end around on the system. http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AvY2.HYTidDfgGkSlPyaOQ0cvrYF?slug=dw-bcs102808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns It was a good article but the bolded I thought was almost irrelevant. Of those undefeated teams of Paterno's three came in the 60's and 70's when they were an independent Eastern team that suffered away from Big conference spotlights.
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