Where in the article does it say that the girl was naked? Even .

 

Assumption on my part, I guess.

 

The girl had been sneaking this boy into her room for a year.

 

Why? To talk? I doubt it.

 

You think the boy got naked for no reason? No "payoff" so to speak? I'm willing to bet the girl was unclothed to some degree.

 

So , with that assumption, no way I would quickly assume it was a rape unless my girl started screaming. However, then I would wonder why wasn't my girl screaming earlier when she had the chance? The boy was standing on the bed so unless he had already taped her mouth shut she had the chance to scream for help.

 

This was 100% consensual. No need to attack the boy.

Assumption on my part, I guess.

 

The girl had been sneaking this boy into her room for a year.

 

Why? To talk? I doubt it.

 

You think the boy got naked for no reason? No "payoff" so to speak? I'm willing to bet the girl was unclothed to some degree.

 

So , with that assumption, no way I would quickly assume it was a rape unless my girl started screaming. However, then I would wonder why wasn't my girl screaming earlier when she had the chance? The boy was standing on the bed so unless he had already taped her mouth shut she had the chance to scream for help.

 

This was 100% consensual. No need to attack the boy.

 

We all know NOW that it was 100% consensual. The father did NOT know that at the time. He had to make a split second decision. Maybe he remembers the cases of Elizabeth Smart or other teenaged girls that have been abducted from their homes. Speaking of her, why didn't Elizabeth Smart scream as she was being abducted? People (particularly children) that are being threatened with weapons some times don't risk their life by screaming.

 

You want to punish the guy? Fine. If I were him, I would gladly take the punishment, with the knowledge that had this intruder in my house been attacking my teenage daughter, that I would have protected her. Heck, I would personally donate to this man's defense.

 

Again, this is not vigilante justice. This is a split second decision.

You have kids?

 

No; however, I do have a few nieces and a nephew, if that counts for anything.

 

The fact that I do not have children of my own should not impact the discussion, though.

 

I can understand the father's perspective. He walked in and assumed someone was "violating" his daughter. That'd upset me as well; however, that does not give anyone the right to hit somebody with a metal pipe.

 

Some people on here apparently think that I am being too harsh on my kids. I am sorry if you see it that way, but I will not let my children have total freedom and turn a blind eye to what they do. I will not abuse them, and as I have said, I will not condone abuse of children by anyone. I will, however, make sure that they know what is expected of them and hold them to it.

 

Nobody on here is saying that you're too harsh on your kids. Don't put words in people's mouths.

 

What some are saying is that there is no excuse for hitting somebody else's kid with a metal pipe. Nobody is asking anyone to "turn a blind eye" to the actions.

 

I would be livid if this was my daughter. I would be equally upset if it was my son. I do not have a problem with people who spank their kids, hit them with the belt, fly swatter, twig, etc. And since it is so difficult for some people to comprehend, I should emphasize that I do not have a problem with people disciplining their OWN children.

 

With that said, there is a line that should not be crossed, and the father crossed it in this situation.

For all of you "parents" who are defending the dad's actions:

 

Do you like it when other parents discipline your child?

 

How about when they discipline your child with physical force?

 

How about when they brutally beat your child and you have to take them to the hospital to get tests done regarding the health of your child's brain and other internal organs?

 

Can any parents out there answer these questions for me please?

No; however, I do have a few nieces and a nephew, if that counts for anything.

 

The fact that I do not have children of my own should not impact the discussion, though.

 

I can understand the father's perspective. He walked in and assumed someone was "violating" his daughter. That'd upset me as well; however, that does not give anyone the right to hit somebody with a metal pipe.

 

Really? So if the young man had been a rapist, with a hidden weapon, what do you do?

If I find somebody naked in either one of my daughter's bedroooms, I don't really care what I have a right to do. They better run real fast.

Can any parents out there answer these questions for me please?

 

Can any parents out there answer me these questions?

 

If my child is spending the night at your house and you hear noises and walk in and find a situation where a naked stranger is in the room, what do you do? Because if it you aren't willing to protect my child from what could be an intruder, then I don't want my daughter staying at your house.

 

If your child is at someone elses home and then get killed because an intruder breaks in and the parent whose home gets broken into wasn't willing to make a split second decision to use force to save your child, will you excuse that parent?

Can any parents out there answer these questions for me please?

 

When someone else is watching my children, I tell them to treat them as they would their own. I give them full permission to disipline my children. Does it bother me if my kids come home and tell me they were spanked? No. Would I allow my child to be abused? No. This goes back to knowing who your child is with.

 

I will not leave my child with anyone that I do not trust. I make sure that they know what I allow my child to do or not to do, and that I expect them (my children) to obey them as they do me.

 

And if I found out that some other parent has in fact abused my child, or beat them, then they better pray that their soul belongs to God, because their butt will belong to me!!!!:madman:

If I find somebody naked in either one of my daughter's bedroooms, I don't really care what I have a right to do. They better run real fast.

 

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. :thumb:

Very good points TB&G, I couldn't agree more. Heck, I might have shot the kid, I don't know. Also your point about girls and boys are right on the mark, it's a terrible double standard.

I meant to quote TBG on this post but quoted you instead (another or brain fart,lol). I didn't notice it untill to late but your post was quoting the post that I meant to and I agree with TBG also. I edited this post to correct it.

I am not at all in favor of vigilante justice. That is not the case here.

 

If you find someone in your house that is NOT supposed to be there and that person is in your child's bedroom naked...do you stop to ask them, "excuse me, but are you a rapist? Can you show me your ID, because if you are a rapist of legal age, I need you to leave."

 

Like it or not, this young man (and young woman) made a bad choice that resulted in injury. However, had the young man been a rapist brandishing a gun and the father stopped to "ask questions", the young woman might have lost her life, or had to attend her father's funeral.

 

As far as it being a metal pipe, would you have felt better if he had used a gun or a knife?

:thumb: Absolutely, I know I am not going to . Now, I will say that evidently this had been going on before so I do have to question a parent that is unaware of someone (intruder) being in their home. Yes, this kid was an intruder....doesn't matter to me if the girl had "invited" him in or not.

I assume that this house belongs to the parents, not the child. That would tell me that if I own the house would have a right to know who was in that house. Whether or not the girl invited this kid in does not matter, he is still in the parents house without their knowledge. I would think that a parent would want to know and have to approve of any person/friend that their child as invited in their home.

As for you last line...I love it. Reminds me of an old "All in the Family" episode when Gloria and Meathead were going on about gun control and quoting the number of deaths caused by handguns. Archie replied..."would it make you feel any better lttle girl if they had pushed them out of a window"?:lol:

 

I will also say that I am not so old that I can't remember a couple of "sneaking around" incidents but I will say that I never had the guts to go into a girls house with her parents home without them knowing it. When I was in a girls house you can bet the parents knew I was there. Another thing I will say on that when I was a teenager most parents did not allow a boy to be in their house with their daughter if they weren't home regardless if they they liked or approved of the boy seeing their daughter or not. Should that happen and they were caught then there was hell to pay in punishment usually from both the boys and the girls parents.

We as kids by any stretch of the imagination had "halo's" over our heads, we certainly got into more than our fair share of stuff. I do believe though that there was some amount of respect or lines that we did not cross. Besides, I never went sneaking into a girls house......I do remember a couple of time where the girl climbed out of her bedroom window and met me down the street to go out , and yes I could have been in big trouble for that as well. I have "rambled" on too much again so........ sorry, I will leave it at that.

I have a 14 yr old daughter and I make sure I get to know all the boys that she hangs around. The proverbial hand breaking handshake always sets the tone. Look em directly in the eye and introduce yourself and smile. Havent had any problems just yet. : )

 

I remember hiding in a few closets back in the day though so the jig is up for any kid that thinks he has one over on me.

I'm busting my sides laughing right now.:lol:

No; however, I do have a few nieces and a nephew, if that counts for anything.

 

The fact that I do not have children of my own should not impact the discussion, though.

 

I can understand the father's perspective. He walked in and assumed someone was "violating" his daughter. That'd upset me as well; however, that does not give anyone the right to hit somebody with a metal pipe.

Why shouldn't it? I know that when my wife and I had a child for the first time, our views and opinions changed in a lot of areas.

If you think your kid is in danger, never underestimate what you might do to protect them.

I am late to the discussion, but this is an interesting thread. Several points to make:

 

1) I am extremely disappointed in the poster(s) that mentioned that they would then take a metal pipe to their OWN child after being part of a similar situation. This is child abuse.

 

2) The article mentions that the young man was standing naked on the girl's bed. How is the father supposed to know, as that point, that the male is a rapist or was invited? How is he supposed to determine age of the male at that point? How does he know that the young man has not threatened the girl with a weapon that he cannot see? (Perhaps a gun or knife that is hidden by sheets/discarded clothing) These are split second decisions that he must make and I think that he made the right decision in brandishing a weapon, using reasonable force (the boy did not have a broken skull, but required stitches) and defending those in his own home. In the same situation, I would do something similar. If I then had to face charges, so be it. It is better then making the wrong split second decision and reading a situation incorrectly (perhaps missing a weapon that my daughter is being threatened with) and someone losing their life.

 

3) Some posters have put more blame on the daughter then the young man. Some have even referenced that she was entertaining more then one man (this article mentions NOTHING about any other young men being involved) and being, shall we say, of "loose" morals. This is extremely unfair and perpetuates that it is okay for males to be promiscuous (the same poster didn't bring up the possibility of this young man perhaps visiting a multitude of young women) but females are to be looked down upon for the same thing. What a double standard!

For me, the bolded part explains enough.

 

The father was within his rights, and he shouldn't be charged with anything.

We all know NOW that it was 100% consensual. The father did NOT know that at the time. He had to make a split second decision. Maybe he remembers the cases of Elizabeth Smart or other teenaged girls that have been abducted from their homes. Speaking of her, why didn't Elizabeth Smart scream as she was being abducted? People (particularly children) that are being threatened with weapons some times don't risk their life by screaming.

 

You want to punish the guy? Fine. If I were him, I would gladly take the punishment, with the knowledge that had this intruder in my house been attacking my teenage daughter, that I would have protected her. Heck, I would personally donate to this man's defense.

 

Again, this is not vigilante justice. This is a split second decision.

 

We are going to disagree on this one, my friend.

 

I'm guessing Smart didn't scream because she didn't have the chance to scream. This is 180 degrees opposite of that situation.

 

Are you saying that when you walked into the room and there was no sign of conflict (which can be determined instantly) that you would still assume rape?