I am SHOCKED that you can live in a state other than KY and still play sports in KY. That is un-freaking believable. Not the case in Ohio. You either live and play here or you live somewhere else and don't play. Is that followed strictly, no, of course not. There are a lot of "vacant apartments" owned by "parent groups" sending their kids to such little schools like St. Xavier, Moeller, LaSalle, etc. I know...hard to believe.

 

Bottom-line, this is just more evidence than ever that until they separate publics and privates, this type of nonsense will always happen and people will care. If the privates and publics were separated, no one would care.

 

-CardinalsFan

Reflections on the article ...

 

C. Ray Hall is a respected reporter that has been writing about the public-private debate extensively for the last couple of years. He doesn't have a reputation for shoddy journalism.

 

I don't see that Trinity is owed an apology or retraction or anything. The article makes clear that St. Xavier is the subject of these allegations but that Robbie Valentine also wanted the letter sent to Trinity because some Clark County students have gone there in the past.

 

The Courier-Journal is reporting newsworthy on-the-record comments made by people in authority in a school system ... nothing wrong with that. If their allegations are proven false, I trust that will be reported as well.

 

One more thing ... is this the same Robbie Valentine that played basketball at North Hardin and Louisville?

 

I'll disagree.

 

First, although Hall didn't write the headline, it is false and misleading and not supported by the article. Notice that it was changed in the on-line version of the article.

 

Second, Hall didn't contact Trinity for any comment. That is just lazy.

 

Third, The article, by mentioning that Finch's father is a football coach at Parkview, leaves the impression that his son went to school there. In fact, the son went to St Anthony and played football in the CSAA.

I am SHOCKED that you can live in a state other than KY and still play sports in KY. That is un-freaking believable. Not the case in Ohio. You either live and play here or you live somewhere else and don't play. Is that followed strictly, no, of course not. There are a lot of "vacant apartments" owned by "parent groups" sending their kids to such little schools like St. Xavier, Moeller, LaSalle, etc. I know...hard to believe.

 

Bottom-line, this is just more evidence than ever that until they separate publics and privates, this type of nonsense will always happen and people will care. If the privates and publics were separated, no one would care.

 

-CardinalsFan

 

You are assuming that those playing in Ohio are ACTUALLY LIVING in Ohio and not using grandma's, aunts, family friends, etc, etc, address for home purposes while actually physically living in KY.

 

It happens in KY from county to county so they can avoid paying tuition.

First, although Hall didn't write the headline, it is false and misleading and not supported by the article. Notice that it was changed in the on-line version of the article.

I'm referring strictly to the article.

Second, Hall didn't contact Trinity for any comment. That is just lazy.

There was no allegation against Trinity.

Third, The article, by mentioning that Finch's father is a football coach at Parkview, leaves the impression that his son went to school there. In fact, the son went to St Anthony and played football in the CSAA.

I didn't get that impression. The article only says that Finch's father coaches in the school system.

I'm referring strictly to the article.

 

You agree that the artcle headline was inaccurate re Trinity don't you? A retraction is warranted than, is it not? If not, then when?

Could not agree more!:thumb:

 

Why? Are we in effect saying that the athletes in Indiana, W.Va., Ohio, etc are better athletes than those in Ky and we have to protect our kids from them or that if they participate for a Ky school in athletic competition they are so much better than Ky kids that it will affect the competition? Gosh, I hope not as I don't feel that way at all. If they attend a Ky school why shouldn't they have the ability to play in Ky athletic contests? What's your logic for not wanting them to play?

I am SHOCKED that you can live in a state other than KY and still play sports in KY. That is un-freaking believable. Not the case in Ohio. You either live and play here or you live somewhere else and don't play. Is that followed strictly, no, of course not. There are a lot of "vacant apartments" owned by "parent groups" sending their kids to such little schools like St. Xavier, Moeller, LaSalle, etc. I know...hard to believe.

 

Bottom-line, this is just more evidence than ever that until they separate publics and privates, this type of nonsense will always happen and people will care. If the privates and publics were separated, no one would care.

 

-CardinalsFan

 

Really? Are you sure of that? Where do these kids really live if not in Ohio? Ky? Indiana? I don't know of a single person living in Ky that plays football in Ohio but uses some fake apartment address. Based on your accusation you must know some that do. What players and for what Ohio team? Don't worry about getting sued for defamation if you post it. Truth is an absolute defense to defamation. So don't use that excuse for holding back. What players from out of Ohio are playing for what Ohio high schools and using the vacant apartment "loophole"?

81..thats right ONCE. Do you know something that I don't know, or you being silly again. Or how about a link or some proof.

 

81...who do you pull for so I can research their history?

Why? Are we in effect saying that the athletes in Indiana, W.Va., Ohio, etc are better athletes than those in Ky and we have to protect our kids from them or that if they participate for a Ky school in athletic competition they are so much better than Ky kids that it will affect the competition? Gosh, I hope not as I don't feel that way at all. If they attend a Ky school why shouldn't they have the ability to play in Ky athletic contests? What's your logic for not wanting them to play?

 

I guess I am old school enough to think people should support the communities they live in. Also, there have been some rather dramatic examples of kids playing one year in one state, then another, then another and the problems it causes. Besides, the last time it was voted on over 60% agreed, so I am not alone.

I guess I am old school enough to think people should support the communities they live in. Also, there have been some rather dramatic examples of kids playing one year in one state, then another, then another and the problems it causes. Besides, the last time it was voted on over 60% agreed, so I am not alone.

 

That certainly is old school, heck it may be closer to archaic!

 

So if I live in Ft. Thomas but think my son would do better academically and/or athletically at Campbell County High School, using your logic, I should have to sell my home in Ft. Thomas and move into the CC school district since to do otherwise could be considered as not supporting the community that I live in. I guess I should only eat at restaurants in Ft. Thomas then even though the food at Pompilio's is better; I should only buy gas at the Marathon down the street then even when gas is cheaper at a station in Newport; etc. Look, I'm disappointed as all get out when a kid living in Ft. Thomas goes to Summit Country Day, Cinti X or for that matter NCC. But I would never support any type of legislation that would force parents to send their kids to Highlands just because they live in Ft. Thomas.

 

Who are those dramatic examples? The kid who played bball for Rose Hill and then the Ohio school is about the only one I can think of. And I'm not really sure what problem it caused. Even if you argue that that kid unfairly effected the competition, I think we are talking about probably less than one tenth of one percent of the kids that live out of state but participate in Ky athletics. So because every once in a blue moon an out of state kid affects Ky competition we are going to pass a blanket rule that affects every out of state kid? Goodness I hope not. Talk about using a howitzer to kill a roach.

 

Heck for years when we (Highlands) played the border schools in the football playoffs, I heard people grumble that this team or that team had W. Va kids on their team. My response: who cares, its not like the kids from W. Va were genetically better athletes than the kids from Ky. If we got beat, we got beat by a better football team regardless of whether the players were from Ky or W.Va. As long as they attended a Ky school was all that mattered to me and is all that should matter.

 

As for the fact that over 60% of the delegates voted for the proposal, I couldn't care less. The KHSAA does not belong to the delegates or the schools. The KHSAA board asks for their input on matters and that's it. The KHSAA belongs to the Legislature; not the schools. To tell you how wise the delegates voted on this issue, they also voted to separate the publics and the privates at that same assembly.

That certainly is old school, heck it may be closer to archaic!

 

So if I live in Ft. Thomas but think my son would do better academically and/or athletically at Campbell County High School, using your logic, I should have to sell my home in Ft. Thomas and move into the CC school district since to do otherwise could be considered as not supporting the community that I live in. I guess I should only eat at restaurants in Ft. Thomas then even though the food at Pompilio's is better; I should only buy gas at the Marathon down the street then even when gas is cheaper at a station in Newport; etc. Look, I'm disappointed as all get out when a kid living in Ft. Thomas goes to Summit Country Day, Cinti X or for that matter NCC. But I would never support any type of legislation that would force parents to send their kids to Highlands just because they live in Ft. Thomas.

 

Who are those dramatic examples? The kid who played bball for Rose Hill and then the Ohio school is about the only one I can think of. And I'm not really sure what problem it caused. Even if you argue that that kid unfairly effected the competition, I think we are talking about probably less than one tenth of one percent of the kids that live out of state but participate in Ky athletics. So because every once in a blue moon an out of state kid affects Ky competition we are going to pass a blanket rule that affects every out of state kid? Goodness I hope not. Talk about using a howitzer to kill a roach.

 

Heck for years when we (Highlands) played the border schools in the football playoffs, I heard people grumble that this team or that team had W. Va kids on their team. My response: who cares, its not like the kids from W. Va were genetically better athletes than the kids from Ky. If we got beat, we got beat by a better football team regardless of whether the players were from Ky or W.Va. As long as they attended a Ky school was all that mattered to me and is all that should matter.

 

As for the fact that over 60% of the delegates voted for the proposal, I couldn't care less. The KHSAA does not belong to the delegates or the schools. The KHSAA board asks for their input on matters and that's it. The KHSAA belongs to the Legislature; not the schools. To tell you how wise the delegates voted on this issue, they also voted to separate the publics and the privates at that same assembly.

:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb: And I am disappointed when a Catholic kid from Ft Thomas or for that matter Southgate goes to Highlands .

That certainly is old school, heck it may be closer to archaic!

 

So if I live in Ft. Thomas but think my son would do better academically and/or athletically at Campbell County High School, using your logic, I should have to sell my home in Ft. Thomas and move into the CC school district since to do otherwise could be considered as not supporting the community that I live in. I guess I should only eat at restaurants in Ft. Thomas then even though the food at Pompilio's is better; I should only buy gas at the Marathon down the street then even when gas is cheaper at a station in Newport; etc. Look, I'm disappointed as all get out when a kid living in Ft. Thomas goes to Summit Country Day, Cinti X or for that matter NCC. But I would never support any type of legislation that would force parents to send their kids to Highlands just because they live in Ft. Thomas.

 

Who are those dramatic examples? The kid who played bball for Rose Hill and then the Ohio school is about the only one I can think of. And I'm not really sure what problem it caused. Even if you argue that that kid unfairly effected the competition, I think we are talking about probably less than one tenth of one percent of the kids that live out of state but participate in Ky athletics. So because every once in a blue moon an out of state kid affects Ky competition we are going to pass a blanket rule that affects every out of state kid? Goodness I hope not. Talk about using a howitzer to kill a roach.

 

Heck for years when we (Highlands) played the border schools in the football playoffs, I heard people grumble that this team or that team had W. Va kids on their team. My response: who cares, its not like the kids from W. Va were genetically better athletes than the kids from Ky. If we got beat, we got beat by a better football team regardless of whether the players were from Ky or W.Va. As long as they attended a Ky school was all that mattered to me and is all that should matter.

 

As for the fact that over 60% of the delegates voted for the proposal, I couldn't care less. The KHSAA does not belong to the delegates or the schools. The KHSAA board asks for their input on matters and that's it. The KHSAA belongs to the Legislature; not the schools. To tell you how wise the delegates voted on this issue, they also voted to separate the publics and the privates at that same assembly.

 

 

I understand in an urban community it is understandable not to think it is a big deal in staying within your community for your spending purchases.

 

But in a rural community, you either stay loyal to the home or you lose them. Buy your groceries outside of the community and the local grocery store closes. Meaning jobs and convenience is gone.

 

And you want restaurants in the county, you best shop at them or they close down too.

 

Not sure how this affects your analogy:D, but just wanted to point out in a rural community, not supporting your community has huge negative results economically and socially.

That certainly is old school, heck it may be closer to archaic!

 

So if I live in Ft. Thomas but think my son would do better academically and/or athletically at Campbell County High School, using your logic, I should have to sell my home in Ft. Thomas and move into the CC school district since to do otherwise could be considered as not supporting the community that I live in. I guess I should only eat at restaurants in Ft. Thomas then even though the food at Pompilio's is better; I should only buy gas at the Marathon down the street then even when gas is cheaper at a station in Newport; etc. Look, I'm disappointed as all get out when a kid living in Ft. Thomas goes to Summit Country Day, Cinti X or for that matter NCC. But I would never support any type of legislation that would force parents to send their kids to Highlands just because they live in Ft. Thomas.

 

Who are those dramatic examples? The kid who played bball for Rose Hill and then the Ohio school is about the only one I can think of. And I'm not really sure what problem it caused. Even if you argue that that kid unfairly effected the competition, I think we are talking about probably less than one tenth of one percent of the kids that live out of state but participate in Ky athletics. So because every once in a blue moon an out of state kid affects Ky competition we are going to pass a blanket rule that affects every out of state kid? Goodness I hope not. Talk about using a howitzer to kill a roach.

 

Heck for years when we (Highlands) played the border schools in the football playoffs, I heard people grumble that this team or that team had W. Va kids on their team. My response: who cares, its not like the kids from W. Va were genetically better athletes than the kids from Ky. If we got beat, we got beat by a better football team regardless of whether the players were from Ky or W.Va. As long as they attended a Ky school was all that mattered to me and is all that should matter.

 

As for the fact that over 60% of the delegates voted for the proposal, I couldn't care less. The KHSAA does not belong to the delegates or the schools. The KHSAA board asks for their input on matters and that's it. The KHSAA belongs to the Legislature; not the schools. To tell you how wise the delegates voted on this issue, they also voted to separate the publics and the privates at that same assembly.

 

Then why don't you change the name to the Midwest High School Athletic Association that happens to be located in Kentucky that makes it possible to allow total convenience to its participates without any consideration or care for the programs except as it applys to that specific person's benefit only. Last I checked and heard the name was KENTUCKY HSAA. Seems not to much to ask it represents the same.

 

From Ft. Thomas to Alexandria is not the same from Ohio to Kentucky, vise versa. Most states must have it wrong using your reasoning. Of course, would be curious to where to draw the line should a SCHOOL located in Ohio play in KY Conferences and state tournaments? Using your reasoning, why not?

There was an article in the Enquirer from the time that OJ Mayo and that bunch was at North College Hill. The people in the community said that they were happy for the kids and school, it wasn't the same to them since the kids were more of athletic mercenaries than anything. Several indicated they didn't follow the team because they weren't NCH kids.

 

It used to be HS athletics was about a group of kids growing up together and working together to develop and come HS time that was rewarded with a district championship and a trip to the regional tournament. For the very good, a regional championship and an appearance at state. For the excellent and only a handful reaches this goal a state title.

 

It didn't happen all the time which made the times it did even more special.

 

Now it is not about the kids but winning for the school. So that the school can have a name. And if that means pulling kids in from wherever, so be it. All about the school and the tradition and name. Or it might be about college $$$$. Or about parents' pride.

 

Now, let me add a qualifier, today for the privates, their community, as I see it, is their faith. It is more of a spiritual community than the physical community that rural and city schools have.

 

What we see now is that adults have taken kids games and made it about things that are not about the kids.

You agree that the artcle headline was inaccurate re Trinity don't you? A retraction is warranted than, is it not? If not, then when?

I didn't see the headline ... I simply referred to the article itself.