August 23, 200719 yr Just because the things he says may be true of a segment of the population, and in some areas, he has no right to broadly characterize our state in such a negative way. He's rehashing every stereotype ever created about Kentucky in a blatant attempt to make himself look cool, sophisticated, and urbane. Having to tap into readers' misconceptions like that really shows a lack of both character and ability on his part. Couldn't have said it any better!:thumb:
August 23, 200719 yr Just because the things he says may be true of a segment of the population, and in some areas, he has no right to broadly characterize our state in such a negative way. He's rehashing every stereotype ever created about Kentucky in a blatant attempt to make himself look cool, sophisticated, and urbane. Having to tap into readers' misconceptions like that really shows a lack of both character and ability on his part. :thumb:
August 23, 200719 yr For all the people in this thread doing their New York impressions, that's pretty childish and quite contradicting to bash Glazer and then do it yourself. I agree with 98, except for possibly the conversation with the waitress, I'm sure what he said was true.
August 23, 200719 yr I guess I don't understand the need for 75% of his article to be bad-mouthing the state that I live in. Isn't he a sports writer? Shouldn't he be reporting on the Bengals? Also, I'm annoyed because I feel like the story he told was mostly made up, and only made him sound like a bigger jerk. JMO. Since when do they stop serving alcohol at 11:00 in Lexington? That was never the case when I lived there. Just wondering.
August 23, 200719 yr For all the people in this thread doing their New York impressions, that's pretty childish and quite contradicting to bash Glazer and then do it yourself. I agree with 98, except for possibly the conversation with the waitress, I'm sure what he said was true. What's the difference exactly?
August 23, 200719 yr Question.... Exactly what is the excuse for poor grammar? We all go through school learning grammar throughout our time there. Why then, can we not put together a sentence using the correct verb tense? Why then, can we not spell, punctuate and conjugate? I simply don't understand why we can't speak using the correct verbs, and post a sign that is coherant and understandable. If you (meaning the hypothetical you, not anyone personally), are content to think highly of your own intelligence, yet speak as if you were uneducated, then so be it. But, you will be characterized in a negative light.
August 23, 200719 yr Dang RM! Maybe it's true after all! :eek: http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?t=124706&highlight=Rockmom
August 23, 200719 yr Just because the things he says may be true of a segment of the population, and in some areas, he has no right to broadly characterize our state in such a negative way. He's rehashing every stereotype ever created about Kentucky in a blatant attempt to make himself look cool, sophisticated, and urbane. Having to tap into readers' misconceptions like that really shows a lack of both character and ability on his part. :thumb: This is what I've been trying to say, rather poorly apparently. Question.... Exactly what is the excuse for poor grammar? We all go through school learning grammar throughout our time there. Why then, can we not put together a sentence using the correct verb tense? Why then, can we not spell, punctuate and conjugate? I simply don't understand why we can't speak using the correct verbs, and post a sign that is coherant and understandable. If you (meaning the hypothetical you, not anyone personally), are content to think highly of your own intelligence, yet speak as if you were uneducated, then so be it. But, you will be characterized in a negative light. I am absolutely not excusing poor grammar or illiteracy. But, this article was written as if these problems were a phenomena specific to Kentucky. The article dripped of condescension and painted this state as a cesspool of toothless morons for a national audience. He wasn't simply listing his observations, he wrote deliberately to denigrate the state, and I'm not entirely convinced he hadn't finished this article before he even sat foot here. He saw people selling moonshine out of the back of a truck in a parking lot? I have lived in Kentucky, even in the most rural parts, for 21 years and have never seen anyone sell moonshine in public, let alone in a parking lot in Georgetown.
August 23, 200719 yr I think Jay Glazer is an idiot. Lets all go to New York and make fun of all the homeless crackheads and hookers up there.
August 23, 200719 yr I think Jay Glazer is an idiot. Lets all go to New York and make fun of all the homeless crackheads and hookers up there.What would that make you?
August 23, 200719 yr Interestingly enough, in the sentence that referred to MENSA and the Spelling Bee, he spelled "hoarding" incorrectly. Not only that, but I assume it slipped through the proofreading department.
August 23, 200719 yr I was born and raised in OH and when I moved to NKY I used to get tortured at family events and by friends in OH about living in KY. They would always ask me if I still wear shoes to school. People have a bad perception about KY.
August 24, 200719 yr I know of "educated" people who have a diploma on their wall and can't spell words longer than seven words or tell you what the capital of Montana is. (It's not Joe). I know of people who dropped out of high school and don't have their "education", yet work in a job where they are the smartest people there (mechanic shop). I don't remember taking a high school class that showed me the parts of an engine and how it works. This guy surpasses me in education when it comes to a gas engine, how it works, and how it can be fixed. I graduated high school and he didn't. Who's more educated? Unfortunately, too many people are judged simply on how they talk or how they spell. If you think people should be judged on those standards, then I encourage you to disable the 'Spell check" function on every computer program you have. Throw away the dictionary and don't ask a co-worker how to spell the capital of Montana. (It's not Joe). I've been to east Texas and driven through towns that had dirt roads and a sign on the side of the road to call if you ran over an armadillo. Apparently, it makes a good Texas stew component and they ate a lot of Dillo Stew from what I was told. I didn't think any less of them because their way of life was different from mine. (And armadillo stew is actually quite good) Anyone been through Cairo, Illinois? Morristown, Tennessee? Burlington, Wisconsin? Oneonta, New York? Perry, Georgia? Hope, Arkansas? Xena, Ohio? I have. And in everyone of those towns, I have encountered a person who talked funny, wore a mullet, wore coveralls and spit tobacco, or acted in a way that made me question their "education". However, I don't characterize the entire state by the people I've met in a select number of towns. I realize every state has "uneducated" people. Some more than others. But I don't dare come on here and tell people to improve "your" grammar and tell people to learn to spell because it makes the state look bad. Because I've also been to Louisville. And I've been to Lexington. And I've been to Cincinnati and I've seen rednecks and the "uneducated" folk there too. I read the article and honestly, I've been offended more by what I've read in this thread than what I read in his article. I don't expect someone from New York to come to Kentucky and understand the way we do things here. I don't expect them to relate to our heritage, traditions, and way of life. Just like I don't expect people from Kentucky to be able to grasp New York City, the way they are there and their values, attitudes, and traditions. Every columnist writes an article about a bad experience while on the road. I'm sure Bozich, Forde, and Tipton have taken a few shots at locals in different parts of the country. It's why they are columnists. It's what they do. This time, Kentucky was on the receiving end. With that, I'm done with this thread.
August 24, 200719 yr However, I don't characterize the entire state by the people I've met in a select number of towns. I realize every state has "uneducated" people. Some more than others.You may not, but the majority of readers do -- if only subconsciously. That is why his words are damaging. People's opinion of a state, or region, or city are not just a matter of pride. Public image can have a broad and measurable economic impact. Also, I think we all could do well to make sure we express ourselves in the very best way we know how. I read the article and honestly, I've been offended more by what I've read in this thread than what I read in his article. I don't expect someone from New York to come to Kentucky and understand the way we do things here. I don't expect them to relate to our heritage, traditions, and way of life. Just like I don't expect people from Kentucky to be able to grasp New York City, the way they are there and their values, attitudes, and traditions.Honestly, I can't imagine being offended by what's been said here. Here you simply have people expressing their frustration with yet another example of thoughtless generalization and misrepresentation. I also cannot see how one could NOT be offended by the article. Whether others understand our "ways" or not, words are very powerful; and the words of a respected journalist carry an enormous amount of weight. All we can hope is that junk like this makes him a lot less respected.
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