Not trying to whine about it but stating facts of the situations. Urbans have advantages. Both private and public urban schools.

 

 

Well, that's it then. ALL urban schools must play in their own league. Only large county schools, no privates, no independents, and definitely no urban schools should be allowed to play for a state title.

 

Don't you all see where this is all headed? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD IN OPEN, NON-CLASSED COMPETITION! It just does not and just can not exist!

 

The best possible scenario is classification based on enrolllment and skewing the single-sex schools up in class to match the sex enrollments of their competition. Otherwise we've all heard the ridiculous rhetoric 1000 times. "We want that single state champion because it's tradition! But, uh, kick out the privates and handicap the urbans and uh, those independent school districts, kick them out too."

 

Gimme a break.

Two..? Public and Private?

I'm dead-set against separation, and I'm not in favor of two classes given that the All A Classic is already in place.

 

But if classification is necessary, two (small-school and large-school) is enough.

Why can't you name the school? If they were found guilty by the KHSAA, wouldn't that be a matter of public record. No one minded naming names during the Mike Mitchell matter. Why is this different?

 

 

Addressing the bolded part of your post: now that may be the understatement of the decade!

Well, that's it then. ALL urban schools must play in their own league. Only large county schools, no privates, no independents, and definitely no urban schools should be allowed to play for a state title.

 

Don't you all see where this is all headed? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD IN OPEN, NON-CLASSED COMPETITION! It just does not and just can not exist!

 

The best possible scenario is classification based on enrolllment and skewing the single-sex schools up in class to match the sex enrollments of their competition. Otherwise we've all heard the ridiculous rhetoric 1000 times. "We want that single state champion because it's tradition! But, uh, kick out the privates and handicap the urbans and uh, those independent school districts, kick them out too."

 

Gimme a break.

Absolutely, 100% not what I said. I have consistently been in favor of four regions that mix private and publics and are based on size and enrollment status. Let schools that CHOSE to be similar in nature compete against those schools.

 

That may be your opinion in your first paragraph but not mine.

I'm dead-set against separation, and I'm not in favor of two classes given that the All A Classic is already in place.

 

But if classification is necessary, two (small-school and large-school) is enough.

Where/How would you divide?

1400 is a good number.

 

 

:thumb:

 

 

I would love to have the HC job for Trinity basketball, I know they are in a tough region but a trip to the Sweet 16 once every 3-4 years is realistic.

:fire:

 

If you have a plan that would result in a trip to the sweet sixteen "every 3-4 years" you would have my support. Give AD Dennis Lampley a call.

Where/How would you divide?

If I had to make a division, I would put the line at 700.

If I had to make a division, I would put the line at 700.

Straight size limit? One thought that comes to mind and I am not sure it is relevant or not, but publics cannot control the size of their school. Whatever shows up in numbers is the size they are. Only option in lowering their student body numbers is to build a new HS.

 

Does it matter that privates have the choice to be in the lower division while publics do not? I read somewhere in the girls forum that LCA has chosen to stay at the size they are. I think that is a good move academically. That is not an option for publics. As I said not sure it is relevant but a thought that popped in my mind reading your post.

Straight size limit? One thought that comes to mind and I am not sure it is relevant or not, but publics cannot control the size of their school. Whatever shows up in numbers is the size they are. Only option in lowering their student body numbers is to build a new HS.

 

Does it matter that privates have the choice to be in the lower division while publics do not? I read somewhere in the girls forum that LCA has chosen to stay at the size they are. I think that is a good move academically. That is not an option for publics. As I said not sure it is relevant but a thought that popped in my mind reading your post.

How else do you classify, aside from enrollment?

 

I'm sure that some schools choose to stay small for a myriad of reasons. On the other hand, I would say that Trinity and St. Xavier don't mind exploiting their significant enrollment advantage.

I'm dead-set against separation, and I'm not in favor of two classes given that the All A Classic is already in place.

 

But if classification is necessary, two (small-school and large-school) is enough.

 

I was just joking with everyone. Figured I would get some good responses out of that one.:lol:

How else do you classify, aside from enrollment?

 

I'm sure that some schools choose to stay small for a myriad of reasons. On the other hand, I would say that Trinity and St. Xavier don't mind exploiting their significant enrollment advantage.

I am on record for 4 divisions with a combination of open enrollment and size. 800 and up and open enrollment. 800 and below and open enrollment. 800 and up and closed enrollment (only students from your feeder system). 800 and below and closed enrollment.

 

Similar to what the NCAA does with scholarships, I am trying to do with open/closed enrollment. Let the schools decide what type of school they want to be and then compete for regional and state championships against those schools.

 

Is it a perfect plan, absolutely not. Does it have it's drawbacks, absolutely. But I believe it is a fairer plan than what we have presently.

I am on record for 4 divisions with a combination of open enrollment and size. 800 and up and open enrollment. 800 and below and open enrollment. 800 and up and closed enrollment (only students from your feeder system). 800 and below and closed enrollment.

 

Similar to what the NCAA does with scholarships, I am trying to do with open/closed enrollment. Let the schools decide what type of school they want to be and then compete for regional and state championships against those schools.

 

Is it a perfect plan, absolutely not. Does it have it's drawbacks, absolutely. But I believe it is a fairer plan than what we have presently.

Way too watered down. I like two classes for the simplicity ... large schools and small schools.

 

I don't care whether a school system has open or closed enrollment. I don't see that it's a huge factor.

Way too watered down. I like two classes for the simplicity ... large schools and small schools.

 

I don't care whether a school system has open or closed enrollment. I don't see that it's a huge factor.

Understand. It does have it's enticing features.

 

I think the open/closed would go to address the private/public concern without separating out at a private/public level. It would also go to address the issue of publics in communities that have a high degree of support having advantages over communities that don't have a high degree of support and there is little to nothing that the school can do to address these problems.

 

I think of Highlands that has the support from their community to raise MAJOR dollars for an artificial turf for their football team where a Newport/Dayton/Holmes would have a great deal of difficulty doing that. AND THAT WOULD BE OF NO FAULT OF THE SCHOOL.

I think the open/closed would go to address the private/public concern without separating out at a private/public level. It would also go to address the issue of publics in communities that have a high degree of support having advantages over communities that don't have a high degree of support and there is little to nothing that the school can do to address these problems.

 

I think of Highlands that has the support from their community to raise MAJOR dollars for an artificial turf for their football team where a Newport/Dayton/Holmes would have a great deal of difficulty doing that. AND THAT WOULD BE OF NO FAULT OF THE SCHOOL.

I don't see that any of that has anything to do with open/closed enrollment.

These are chest pumping accusations.

There has been one private school sanctioned for breaking rules that I am aware of, and it is not in Louisville or NKY. I just think that the rules are too loose for attendance.