Hold on there champ....remember in basketball numbers don't matter!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Numbers can always matter except for that one class per generation that a June Buchanan/Elliott County might be experiencing.

 

Seriously, though, what kind of powerhouse could Southeast field?

Numbers can always matter except for that one class per generation that a June Buchanan/Elliott County might be experiencing.

 

Seriously, though, what kind of powerhouse could Southeast field?

 

 

Not according to what I have read on here over the past three years (B-ball only)....

 

I bet they would be tough...they would probably have to be in there own class too....they would call is "Six Flags...i mean classes over Jesus" :laugh: :laugh:

Not according to what I have read on here over the past three years (B-ball only)....

 

I bet they would be tough...they would probably have to be in there own class too....they would call is "Six Flags...i mean classes over Jesus" :laugh: :laugh:

I set you up for that one.:mad:

 

Well I disagree with whatever you read on here. I think they go to state within 4-5 years and win a state title in 10 assuming there are no other Christian, non-Catholic schools for them to compete with for this grouping.

 

As I have stated many times in the past, if I lived closer to Calvary Christian, my children would be attending there. And by the time they get in HS, they might anyhow.

Guess the same as Iroquois got good in the last 3 years!

 

 

Well said. Iroquis got good by, from the article, really hard work. And they are to be commended for it. Yet whenever a private school supporter states that their team got good by really, really hard work, all that is heard in response is "our kids work just as hard as the private school kids do". Well, it sure seems like the Iroquis kids didn't use to work very hard and they had poor teams as a result. They bring in a coach that makes the kids work really hard, and viola, success. It would shock a lot of supporters, coaches and players if they saw how much harder some programs work than they do. It really would.

 

I read a post on the football thread lamenting that their football team was not very good because their school was a basketball team. I'd venture a guess that if people were honest, probably more than 80% of the public school fans would consider their school as a basketball school. And by basketball school, I mean a school where the administration puts a greater emphasis on basketball and/or the better athletes predominantly play basketball or take basketball more seriously than football. If I'm correct, honestly, is it any wonder that the schools that place the predominant amount of emphasis on football dominate those schools that don't? And face it, at the large school level, the teams like X, T and Male place a heavy emphasis on football and have done so for not years, but decades. I'll admit that recently other big schools have placed more emphasis on football, as football is becoming much more popular throughout the state. But as I've said many times, you have to be smoking crack for breakfast if you think your school, with 5 years of football emphasis, is going to catch up with those schools. Do it for 15 to 20 years and you might get there. Until then, keep working hard. Find your successes not in state championships; but rather becoming more competitive. Until then, don't complain about other schools advantages and concentrate on building a program. And if you have a head coach that isn't getting it done, like Iroquis former coach must not have been getting it done, find a new coach who is willing to put in the hours and effort and will demand the players put in the hours and effort to create a successful program. Personally, based on what I've read about the Iroquis coach, I won't be surprised in the least to see Iroquis win a state girls basketball championship in the near future.

Not being argumentive LN, but the way you read your post, than schools like X and T don't work hard in basketball?

 

I found it hard to believe that X and T would accept a basketball program that doesn't work hard and yet their success is limited at best.

Not according to what I have read on here over the past three years (B-ball only)....

 

I bet they would be tough...they would probably have to be in there own class too....they would call is "Six Flags...i mean classes over Jesus" :laugh: :laugh:

There would NEVER be a school in this state like June Buchanan able to compete with a Trinity in football, and they are private. Size gives a school an advantage in both sports, but nowhere near the same advantage. One or two great player have a much greater effect in basketball than they do in football when it comes to beating a great team. Look at the beatings that Tim Couch took in the playoffs.

Not being argumentive LN, but the way you read your post, than schools like X and T don't work hard in basketball?

 

I found it hard to believe that X and T would accept a basketball program that doesn't work hard and yet their success is limited at best.

 

 

I'm quite certain that if you asked the X and T fans on here whether their schools has shown the same committment to basketball as they had to football over the last two decades, the resounding answer would be no. In fact, I've read that on this site quite often.

 

And LBBC, please don't put yourself into that category that thinks kids from every school work just as hard as those at every other school. If you believe that, then you'll have to agree with me if I was to type that the parents of children at every school are just as much involved as the parents of children at every other school. And we both know that's not true either.

Well said. Iroquis got good by, from the article, really hard work. And they are to be commended for it. Yet whenever a private school supporter states that their team got good by really, really hard work, all that is heard in response is "our kids work just as hard as the private school kids do". Well, it sure seems like the Iroquis kids didn't use to work very hard and they had poor teams as a result. They bring in a coach that makes the kids work really hard, and viola, success. It would shock a lot of supporters, coaches and players if they saw how much harder some programs work than they do. It really would.

 

I read a post on the football thread lamenting that their football team was not very good because their school was a basketball team. I'd venture a guess that if people were honest, probably more than 80% of the public school fans would consider their school as a basketball school. And by basketball school, I mean a school where the administration puts a greater emphasis on basketball and/or the better athletes predominantly play basketball or take basketball more seriously than football. If I'm correct, honestly, is it any wonder that the schools that place the predominant amount of emphasis on football dominate those schools that don't? And face it, at the large school level, the teams like X, T and Male place a heavy emphasis on football and have done so for not years, but decades. I'll admit that recently other big schools have placed more emphasis on football, as football is becoming much more popular throughout the state. But as I've said many times, you have to be smoking crack for breakfast if you think your school, with 5 years of football emphasis, is going to catch up with those schools. Do it for 15 to 20 years and you might get there. Until then, keep working hard. Find your successes not in state championships; but rather becoming more competitive. Until then, don't complain about other schools advantages and concentrate on building a program. And if you have a head coach that isn't getting it done, like Iroquis former coach must not have been getting it done, find a new coach who is willing to put in the hours and effort and will demand the players put in the hours and effort to create a successful program. Personally, based on what I've read about the Iroquis coach, I won't be surprised in the least to see Iroquis win a state girls basketball championship in the near future.

 

Very nice post LN!

There would NEVER be a school in this state like June Buchanan able to compete with a Trinity in football, and they are private. Size gives a school an advantage in both sports, but nowhere near the same advantage. One or two great player have a much greater effect in basketball than they do in football when it comes to beating a great team. Look at the beatings that Tim Couch took in the playoffs.

 

And I never said a school like June Buchanan could play against a team like T in football.

Bottom line I am convinced that if you have 1400 kids to choose from.......you should be able to field a competitive basketball team year in and year out!

Not being argumentive LN, but the way you read your post, than schools like X and T don't work hard in basketball?

 

I found it hard to believe that X and T would accept a basketball program that doesn't work hard and yet their success is limited at best.

 

Let me tell you that although hard to believe it is true. Trinity over the years has worked a whole lot less at any sport other than football. Now the emphasis is being made for basketball but it still is second fiddle to football. I go to basketball games for something to do until football starts and I'm not the only one that feels that way. I'll put it this way, you won't see any football coach at Trinity sticking around for very many years without a state title.

I'm quite certain that if you asked the X and T fans on here whether their schools has shown the same committment to basketball as they had to football over the last two decades, the resounding answer would be no. In fact, I've read that on this site quite often.

 

And LBBC, please don't put yourself into that category that thinks kids from every school work just as hard as those at every other school. If you believe that, then you'll have to agree with me if I was to type that the parents of children at every school are just as much involved as the parents of children at every other school. And we both know that's not true either.

Absolutely, some schools outwork others. But isn't it also true that no matter how hard the kids at some schools work, they will not be competitive with certain other schools? Or being from the NKY area, if the kids at Lloyd worked just as hard as Highlands, would they be able to beat Highlands? Or are they still not going to be as big, as deep or as athletic?

Let me tell you that although hard to believe it is true. Trinity over the years has worked a whole lot less at any sport other than football. Now the emphasis is being made for basketball but it still is second fiddle to football. I go to basketball games for something to do until football starts and I'm not the only one that feels that way. I'll put it this way, you won't see any football coach at Trinity sticking around for very many years without a state title.

That is intriguing.

 

Before I joined BGP, I had ZERO knowledge of Trinity or X. Knew nothing really about them. Didn't know that they were football powers. Didn't even know they fielded football teams. So my views have nothing to do with them.

 

That being said, I have grown to appreciate a commitment to excellence that I get from them through the posters and the things I have read about them on here.

 

The EXTENT of my knowledge about these two schools (except for I now know through golf circles is that St. X is the favorite every year to win the boys' state title) is based on BGP. Why would a schools so committed to excellence in the classroom and the football field except a basketball program that is not working hard?

 

Before I joined BGP, I had ZERO knowledge of Trinity or X. Knew nothing really about them. Didn't know that they were football powers. Didn't even know they fielded football teams.

 

What planet did you live on prior to joining BGP?

And I never said a school like June Buchanan could play against a team like T in football.

Bottom line I am convinced that if you have 1400 kids to choose from.......you should be able to field a competitive basketball team year in and year out!

I can agree with you there, especially if it is 1400 boys.

Absolutely, some schools outwork others. But isn't it also true that no matter how hard the kids at some schools work, they will not be competitive with certain other schools? Or being from the NKY area, if the kids at Lloyd worked just as hard as Highlands, would they be able to beat Highlands? Or are they still not going to be as big, as deep or as athletic?

 

Good and fair questions. Assuming that they do work just as hard, and their coaching staff does, and that they have just as good coaches, then I still think Highlands should win a majority of the matchups, as a result of Highlands being larger in size. And as you know, I've always agreed with having different classes based on size in all sports, not just football, cross country and track (those are the only sports with size classes correct?). But when you see certain schools getting dominated by schools of similar size or of smaller size year in and year out, the strongest reason in my opinion is the lack of a long term committment by the school to that sport. While there may be other factors that have some impact, its the lack of long term committment that is the strongest one. And as pointed out in the lacrosse posts, the longer a school waits to get on board the train, the harder it is to catch up and get on the train. When a school finally decides to make a committment to a sport that others have been committed to for decades, they may sprint with all of their might to catch the train, but its unrealistic to think they are going to catch it within the first 100 yards. That doesn't mean they quit sprinting or even worse blame the train for moving so fast and try to adopt rules to slow the train down, it means they just have to keep sprinting and running farther to catch it. Not easy, I admit, but the right way to address the problem.