13 minutes ago, #RockNation said:

Also during Placement Test week...very strange I have to say...

Wow! Did not think of that!!  

18 minutes ago, BirdDaddy said:

This is spot on. I have heard 1st hand what this Chic did in Ft Thomas. Went through the District and even disrupted the Administration like a Tornado. Many sports & activities at Highlands suffer and others thrive from the damage she did to this day. Not recovered is an understatement. 

If you think it was bad at Highlands .... the way things were at Beechwood would make your head spin. Amazing how one person can destroy things so quickly. 

2 hours ago, Falcon Pride said:

The reports are accurate.

An internal memo was attached to some of the emails. It was then saved by some recipients.

Wait until later. More to come

My point is the fact that a state-wide radio show and a Twitter feed commented on the situation as a reporting of facts without confirmation.  They said as much.  If one is to comment on something like this, they should verify it before releasing it as public knowledge.

I don't know if it happened or not.  If it did, then it should be dealt with.  But that is not my point.  Be correct before releasing information.

Here is what Lou Holtz, while he was the head coach at Notre Dame, said about being first:

   -  "First we will be best.  Then we will be first."

I think an entity should have the BEST information (a.k.a. the facts) instead of simply releasing it FIRST.  I realize this is an "old-school" way of doing things, but, in this case, it is still the right way to do thing.

On 12/14/2024 at 7:54 PM, LongTimeReader said:

Was an email sent? Yes. The “reports” being claimed is not accurate. 

Yes. Many families received the “attachment” rating players in various sports that St. X wants to enroll. One family shared it. Here is an example taken directly from the attachment. I have removed any reference to a student name, a family name or a grade school name  Would the KHSAA have a problem with this?

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Has been at _________ since 6th grade. July was first time we got eyes on ______ and he was extremely impressive. Quick, shifty. Immediately became a high priority after seeing him. He is close with other kids on this list, Mom is very involved. Attended multiple games last year. Have to make this one happen. High Priority.

On Beechwood and Highlands, here is a post from four years ago that discusses it:

My first thought here ... Highlands to Beechwood isn't an apples to apples comparison at this time. If Coach Rash leaves--and there is a 4 to 6 year downturn in the program at Beechwood I would venture to say that there is a high likelihood that you would be correct. We truly don't know--and won't know until Coach Rash leaves. Hopefully that won't happen for a few more years at least!

At the same time--the Beechwood faithful seemed to pick up on the impact of Ginger Webb much, much, much quicker than what the Highlands faithful did. (Which is really interesting -- because it directly impacted the players that both programs were taking in -- and then no longer taking in). Beechwood seemed to eventually figure that out -- then went to work fixing it (not as quickly as people would have liked). You still have Highlands people who don't have a clue of what really happened. Then you compound that with the fact that the "Fort Thomas Mafia" is apparently absolutely convinced that they have had enough talent to be just as good as they used to be since all this happened -- makes me think that any new, informed coach coming into Highlands better double check and make sure that there are no more Ginger Webb's waiting in the wing--simply because you have a component of the population who isn't seeing the forest through the trees.  Nothing against the homegrown talent--but it is abundantly clear that you need a few kids from outside of your city limits to push you over the limits. (I don't think anyone from Beechwood would disagree with that -- after Ginger left--but there were probably quite a few who may have felt that way before she completely choked out athletics in general -- and not just football at Beechwood). 

If my Ginger Webb diatribe doesn't make sense -- here it is in a nutshell -- Ginger closed off the pipeline of great players coming from out of district. I think the faithful liked that a little too much -- and it was/is significantly easier to blame that on the previous coach/staff by saying "the talent is there" -- Ha, ha! Malarkey! (I think there is a great base of talent there--but the ones who put things over the top are no longer coming--and when they do--they leave--Pretty QUICKLY!)  I think Dale saw the writing on the wall and realized with Aunt Ginger involved -- that things were not going to be manageable for him either. So he left--and left in a pretty interesting way (not questioning the family motives--but I think the timing is something he probably would have worked around differently a few years earlier). If you can prove me wrong--fire at will. 

Whether it is Beechwood, Highlands or Po Dunk U -- Coaches have more options today than they used to. If you are good--you have a little more power to set your own course. I simply don't think that is possible at Highlands right now. And I don't think it is possible until the "faithful" takes a long look in the mirror and admits that they need to go backward before they go forward. If they make that commitment upfront to a great coach--they have a chance to get someone of top caliber. If they continue to walk around without acknowledging reality --- I think it will be tough sledding. 

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It is in this thread if anyone wants to go back and read the whole thing:

 

Also, since this is the Football Forum here at BGP, this is what I am told about the email attachment in terms of football at St. X:

The football tab was not a ranking of athletes and no one from St. X Football was involved in sending an email with that file.

50 minutes ago, MBKT said:

Yes. Many families received the “attachment” rating players in various sports that St. X wants to enroll. One family shared it. Here is an example taken directly from the attachment. I have removed any reference to a student name, a family name or a grade school name  Would the KHSAA have a problem with this?

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Has been at _________ since 6th grade. July was first time we got eyes on ______ and he was extremely impressive. Quick, shifty. Immediately became a high priority after seeing him. He is close with other kids on this list, Mom is very involved. Attended multiple games last year. Have to make this one happen. High Priority.

And this is football related or another sport that was on the file? 
 

Sounds like a good player that the school would like to have… and if the kid attends a CSAA school what would be the problem?

Where is the “rating” of the player? 

3 minutes ago, LongTimeReader said:

And this is football related or another sport that was on the file? 
 

Sounds like a good player that the school would like to have… and if the kid attends a CSAA school what would be the problem?

Things will likely play out on their own and your questions should be answered in due time. 

1 hour ago, theguru said:

Also, since this is the Football Forum here at BGP, this is what I am told about the email attachment in terms of football at St. X:

The football tab was not a ranking of athletes and no one from St. X Football was involved in sending an email with that file.

My understanding is that file was sent by someone OTHER than football staff but was not meant to be sent.

42 minutes ago, LongTimeReader said:

And this is football related or another sport that was on the file? 
 

Sounds like a good player that the school would like to have… and if the kid attends a CSAA school what would be the problem?

Where is the “rating” of the player? 

Sounds / looks like it might not be a numerical rating of a player, but rather a "priority" listing.

"If" the kid attends a CSAA school, then no, there is no problem.  If the kid doesn't....still no problem that I see.  All coaches/schools rank and prioritize kids, whether it's kids they're trying to get to come to their school or kids they're trying to get to stay at their school and not go somewhere else.  It happens.  In the example provided, I don't see anything wrong or anything "promised", just that if they can get the kid into the school, they need to try and make that happen.  Might be more worried about his placement scores than anything.

43 minutes ago, Falcon Pride said:

My understanding is that file was sent by someone OTHER than football staff but was not meant to be sent.

I have the same understanding. 

2 hours ago, theguru said:

On Beechwood and Highlands, here is a post from four years ago that discusses it:

My first thought here ... Highlands to Beechwood isn't an apples to apples comparison at this time. If Coach Rash leaves--and there is a 4 to 6 year downturn in the program at Beechwood I would venture to say that there is a high likelihood that you would be correct. We truly don't know--and won't know until Coach Rash leaves. Hopefully that won't happen for a few more years at least!

At the same time--the Beechwood faithful seemed to pick up on the impact of Ginger Webb much, much, much quicker than what the Highlands faithful did. (Which is really interesting -- because it directly impacted the players that both programs were taking in -- and then no longer taking in). Beechwood seemed to eventually figure that out -- then went to work fixing it (not as quickly as people would have liked). You still have Highlands people who don't have a clue of what really happened. Then you compound that with the fact that the "Fort Thomas Mafia" is apparently absolutely convinced that they have had enough talent to be just as good as they used to be since all this happened -- makes me think that any new, informed coach coming into Highlands better double check and make sure that there are no more Ginger Webb's waiting in the wing--simply because you have a component of the population who isn't seeing the forest through the trees.  Nothing against the homegrown talent--but it is abundantly clear that you need a few kids from outside of your city limits to push you over the limits. (I don't think anyone from Beechwood would disagree with that -- after Ginger left--but there were probably quite a few who may have felt that way before she completely choked out athletics in general -- and not just football at Beechwood). 

If my Ginger Webb diatribe doesn't make sense -- here it is in a nutshell -- Ginger closed off the pipeline of great players coming from out of district. I think the faithful liked that a little too much -- and it was/is significantly easier to blame that on the previous coach/staff by saying "the talent is there" -- Ha, ha! Malarkey! (I think there is a great base of talent there--but the ones who put things over the top are no longer coming--and when they do--they leave--Pretty QUICKLY!)  I think Dale saw the writing on the wall and realized with Aunt Ginger involved -- that things were not going to be manageable for him either. So he left--and left in a pretty interesting way (not questioning the family motives--but I think the timing is something he probably would have worked around differently a few years earlier). If you can prove me wrong--fire at will. 

Whether it is Beechwood, Highlands or Po Dunk U -- Coaches have more options today than they used to. If you are good--you have a little more power to set your own course. I simply don't think that is possible at Highlands right now. And I don't think it is possible until the "faithful" takes a long look in the mirror and admits that they need to go backward before they go forward. If they make that commitment upfront to a great coach--they have a chance to get someone of top caliber. If they continue to walk around without acknowledging reality --- I think it will be tough sledding. 

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It is in this thread if anyone wants to go back and read the whole thing:

 

And then to close the deal completely, she is now married to her once Boss in Ft Thomas. As the Bluebird turns. 

Just now, BirdDaddy said:

And then to close the deal completely, she is now married to her once Boss in Ft Thomas. As the World turns. 

I prefer "As the Bluebird Turns" and thanks for the additional info. ?????

2 minutes ago, theguru said:

I prefer "As the Bluebird Turns" and thanks for the additional info. ?????

Fixed it. Good catch