1 minute ago, John Anthony said:

Nobody who currently walks this planet won’t avoid oil use in their lifetime.  Do we need to look into green tech yes, absolutely.  But it’s at least a decade or two away from adoption.  Why choke off oil in the meantime?

We are in lockstep.  Additionally, I think we should have redundant sources of energy in America and eventually the world. On tangent, I would like to see nuclear power plants make a comeback. 

2 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

If we are talking about this current spike in gas prices, the Keystone has zero impact on that. 

If the argument is the plans of the pipeline affect the price over a long period of time, sure, that makes at least a little more sense. 

So we agree that if the Keystone had an operational date of 7/1/2022, the 830,000 barrels of oil would be exactly what we need right now, in theory?

7 minutes ago, John Anthony said:

So we agree that if the Keystone had an operational date of 7/1/2022, the 830,000 barrels of oil would be exactly what we need right now, in theory?

Sure, if the operational date were that close, I could see it having an impact at that point. 

3 minutes ago, John Anthony said:

So we agree that if the Keystone had an operational date of 7/1/2022, the 830,000 barrels of oil would be exactly what we need right now, in theory?

Being 5 months out is a whole lot different than 5 years, in my opinion.  If you make money off of oil, why would you willingly forsake 5 years of higher profits?  Heck, they jump prices just at the prospect of a refinery or two being impacted by a hurricane, even though they know they (the refineries) will eventually be back up.  I think they are more of a "strike while the iron is hot" type of market.  And right now, the market is sizzling.  Five years might as well be an eternity.

 

3 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

Sure, if the operational date were that close, I could see it having an impact at that point. 

 

2 minutes ago, CincySportsFan said:

Being 5 months out is a whole lot different than 5 years, in my opinion.  If you make money off of oil, why would you willingly forsake 5 years of higher profits?  Heck, they jump prices just at the prospect of a refinery or two being impacted by a hurricane, even though they know they (the refineries) will eventually be back up.  I think they are more of a "strike while the iron is hot" type of market.  And right now, the market is sizzling.  Five years might as well be an eternity.

 

Keystone XL pipeline was first proposed, and many wonder if it will even be necessary by 2023, the date that owner TransCanada predicts it will open for use.
 

The answer was yes.

3 minutes ago, John Anthony said:

 

Keystone XL pipeline was first proposed, and many wonder if it will even be necessary by 2023, the date that owner TransCanada predicts it will open for use.
 

The answer was yes.

I think you're trying to say the projected operational date was 2023. My point remains the same, that doesn't have anything to do with the current gas spike. 

9 minutes ago, TheDeuce said:

I think you're trying to say the projected operational date was 2023. My point remains the same, that doesn't have anything to do with the current gas spike. 

Micro vs. Macro debate.  Let’s not pretend that oil/gas prices weren’t already rising before the Russian attack.  We’re now going to $3.89 a gallon vs. $3.49 without the attack.  The fact that we’re asking the Middle East for more oil  to fix this is catastrophic failure of policy in my book.

We here in the US are very good at making things all about us. Ukraine is fighting for its very existence but we complain about gas prices here. These are worldwide issues over the past 2 years but here it is all about us and what "they" are doing to us. People act like we control all these things happening in the world. We don't. It is that simple.

The only thing I can think of that may have prevented this war in the Ukraine would have been THE WORLD reacting to Crimea like they are to Ukraine. But THE WORLD did not. Thankfully THE WORLD is responding now. Let's hope it isn't too late.

For me, it boils down to I can't believe that this is happening in the 21st century with all our science, advanced thinking, technology, so called morals, etc.  Evil knows no boundaries.

3 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

We here in the US are very good at making things all about us. Ukraine is fighting for its very existence but we complain about gas prices here. These are worldwide issues over the past 2 years but here it is all about us and what "they" are doing to us. People act like we control all these things happening in the world. We don't. It is that simple.

The only thing I can think of that may have prevented this war in the Ukraine would have been THE WORLD reacting to Crimea like they are to Ukraine. But THE WORLD did not. Thankfully THE WORLD is responding now. Let's hope it isn't too late.

I agree this is a World issue.  

Unfortunately we live in a world that mostly is standing on the sidelines while innocent Ukrainians are slaughtered.

I have watched countless interviews with Ukrainians and they see the world pretty clearly and they know in no uncertain terms that the world is letting them be slaughtered. 

I also believe that if the aggressors were any countries other than Russia or China the world would have already intervened and the war would be over.

6 minutes ago, nkypete said:

For me, it boils down to I can't believe that this is happening in the 21st century with all our science, advanced thinking, technology, so called morals, etc.  Evil knows no boundaries.

Agree.  It all comes down to the sin that I consider the greatest threat to us all - greed. To counter that, we have Matthew 22:37-40.

51 minutes ago, theguru said:

I agree this is a World issue.  

Unfortunately we live in a world that mostly is standing on the sidelines while innocent Ukrainians are slaughtered.

I have watched countless interviews with Ukrainians and they see the world pretty clearly and they know in no uncertain terms that the world is letting them be slaughtered. 

I also believe that if the aggressors were any countries other than Russia or China the world would have already intervened and the war would be over.

True. Nuclear weapons in the control of an authoritarian, greedy leader are the greatest threat to the world. If any country sends planes or troops into Ukraine, what do you think happens next?

 I will add this. Genocide has happened in other countries in the past 20 years and THE WORLD has watched it happen without sending in troops. Add in the examples in Iraq and Afghanistan and it is easy to see why countries are reluctant to send in troops even against non nuclear nations. 

3 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

We here in the US are very good at making things all about us. Ukraine is fighting for its very existence but we complain about gas prices here. These are worldwide issues over the past 2 years but here it is all about us and what "they" are doing to us. People act like we control all these things happening in the world. We don't. It is that simple.

The only thing I can think of that may have prevented this war in the Ukraine would have been THE WORLD reacting to Crimea like they are to Ukraine. But THE WORLD did not. Thankfully THE WORLD is responding now. Let's hope it isn't too late.

We warned Russia not to do this they just didn’t take us seriously.  The people of Ukraine are suffering.  Sanctions will eventually cripple Russia’s economy, but that does nothing for the people of Ukraine today.

43 minutes ago, John Anthony said:

We warned Russia not to do this they just didn’t take us seriously.  The people of Ukraine are suffering.  Sanctions will eventually cripple Russia’s economy, but that does nothing for the people of Ukraine today.

True, because THE WORLD hasn't united on an issue like this since 1941. This is not an US issue. It is a WORLD issue. There is nothing, I emphasize nothing, US could have done to prevent this.

29 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

True, because THE WORLD hasn't united on an issue like this since 1941. This is not an US issue. It is a WORLD issue. There is nothing, I emphasize nothing, US could have done to prevent this.

I disagree with you on that point but that discussion is not for BGP.