I'm interested in seeing what changes and how much cheaper my healthcare is supposed to become now.

 

Well, now that you won't have to pay for contraception you don't need, I would expect you will see a precipitous decline in your premiums.

Since this is one of the biggest (if not biggest) issues the Right has with the Obama Administration, and a point Trump used to get elected, I figured a thread to track this specific topic was necessary.

 

We can start by pointing out that over night the Senate voted down the following items to get the ball rolling:

 

-Keeping preexisting conditions protection

-Allowing parents to cover young adults on their plans

-Keeping contraceptive coverage

 

To make sure I understand, Congress last night voted:

 

1. Insurance companies can use pre-existing conditions to deny coverage.

 

2. Insurance companies can deny young adults being included on their parents policies up to age 26.

 

3. Insurance Companies do not have to include contraception as part of their coverages

To make sure I understand, Congress last night voted:

 

1. Insurance companies can use pre-existing conditions to deny coverage.

 

2. Insurance companies can deny young adults being included on their parents policies up to age 26.

 

3. Insurance Companies do not have to include contraception as part of their coverages

 

Nope.

 

U.S. Senate approves measure launching Obamacare repeal process

| Reuters

 

 

The U.S. Senate on Thursday took a first concrete step toward dismantling Obamacare, voting to instruct key committees to draft legislation repealing President Barack Obama's signature health insurance program.

 

Just a resolution to start the process.

 

Actual bills can be tracked here:

 

Bills and Resolutions -- GovTrack.us

Yep, I think they know that. We are just waiting for the abundant choices we will have. We are all overwhelmed with excitement.

 

With 20 less million people with health care, as reported by some. thousands of jobs lost (they can build cars and air conditioners, though) we are beginning to make America Great again.

 

Obamacare makes it near impossible to start a small business if you have a family. The exchanges are OUTRAGEOUSLY priced. It isn't any more affordable than it was before. The only people who benefit from Obamacare are those w/ preexisting conditions and the poor. I wanted to open a law office. With 3 young kids and a wife, there was NOOOO chance that I could afford the exchange premiums while starting up. It is a great idea executed very poorly. Repealing it isn't the answer either. It needs to be fine tuned.

To make sure I understand, Congress last night voted:

 

1. Insurance companies can use pre-existing conditions to deny coverage.

 

2. Insurance companies can deny young adults being included on their parents policies up to age 26.

 

3. Insurance Companies do not have to include contraception as part of their coverages

 

They voted to start the repeal of Obamacare without a replacement.

. It is a great idea executed very poorly. Repealing it isn't the answer either. It needs to be fine tuned.

 

Agree 100%.

Obamacare makes it near impossible to start a small business if you have a family. The exchanges are OUTRAGEOUSLY priced. It isn't any more affordable than it was before. The only people who benefit from Obamacare are those w/ preexisting conditions and the poor. I wanted to open a law office. With 3 young kids and a wife, there was NOOOO chance that I could afford the exchange premiums while starting up. It is a great idea executed very poorly. Repealing it isn't the answer either. It needs to be fine tuned.

In the current marketplace, it's impossible to tweak to be ok. It's not a slam on Obama, or the ACHA, but the whole approach is destined to fail. It can't be repaired. It's like putting a bandaid on a broken arm. So, without wholesale change like I continue to harp on, there will be no answer that can work, doesn't matter who is in office. So, we can continue to blame whoever sits in the presidency, in it's current state, it can't be fixed.

John Yarmuth again said that ObamaCare is broken but the only alternative he will even consider is single payor. Since he only speaks what Nancy Pellosi tells him I guess that's the stance of most representatives on that side of the aisle. They would listen to no alternatives when it was passed and now they have dug their heels in. They're willing to let it fail to score political points.

Two things on Obamacare.

 

(1) It was going to fail NO MATTER what the R's did. It is on a death spiral and is simply unsustainable. Insurance companies were bailing because young healthy people realized that they would have to be morons to pay the premiums. So they pay the penalty instead. The R's are actually taking a chance and letting the Dems off the hook on this if their new plan does not work. It is ironic though. The Dems pass this monstrosity without one R vote but if the R's don't do a perfect job fixing it, it will be perceived as the R's fault...smh

 

(2) I firmly believe the plan was DESIGNED to fail. Obama WANTED it to fail. Then when it did, the government would have to come save the day with a single payer plan. What really ticks me off about it is that Obama had no problem HURTING A LOT of people along the way. You have to be blind to not see this. The R's taking control of Congress blew up this part of the plan.

Two things on Obamacare.

 

(1) It was going to fail NO MATTER what the R's did. It is on a death spiral and is simply unsustainable. Insurance companies were bailing because young healthy people realized that they would have to be morons to pay the premiums. So they pay the penalty instead. The R's are actually taking a chance and letting the Dems off the hook on this if their new plan does not work. It is ironic though. The Dems pass this monstrosity without one R vote but if the R's don't do a perfect job fixing it, it will be perceived as the R's fault...smh

 

(2) I firmly believe the plan was DESIGNED to fail. Obama WANTED it to fail. Then when it did, the government would have to come save the day with a single payer plan. What really ticks me off about it is that Obama had no problem HURTING A LOT of people along the way. You have to be blind to not see this. The R's taking control of Congress blew up this part of the plan.

Ill disagree with your second statement. It's my belief that the president didn't fully understand the scope of the AHCA. I think he knew what he wanted to come across. And the fallout he truly didn't understand. I can't believe in the brief time he was in office that he crafted/helped author that concoction without some really jaded advice. Just my opinion.

 

no one will tackle the source of the problem. It's my glimmer of hope that Trump could somehow buck the good old boy network and make some common sense change

Ill disagree with your second statement. It's my belief that the president didn't fully understand the scope of the AHCA. I think he knew what he wanted to come across. And the fallout he truly didn't understand. I can't believe in the brief time he was in office that he crafted/helped author that concoction without some really jaded advice. Just my opinion.

 

no one will tackle the source of the problem. It's my glimmer of hope that Trump could somehow buck the good old boy network and make some common sense change

 

I think there are two problems:

 

1. Many people hated the idea of mandated coverage. It was a philosophical issue.

2. The negotiations that had to take place resulted in a doomed plan financially due to the lack of a compelling penalty if you didn't buy insurance. It was doomed day 1 financially because young, healthy people said "screw it - penalty is a lot cheaper" so you didn't have enough money coming in to offset mandated coverage for high risk members.

 

I contend that we do not know how it would have worked from a financial standpoint had it been passed as originally designed.

I can't argue any of that. So I'll leave with this. We never needed health care reform. We needed insurance reform. Big business with giant lobby lines pockets of lifer politicians so change ain't coming.

I disagree with literally every post. The law was literally the worst written piece of legislation in my lifetime. Those questioning how it is repealed baffle me . I really do not think you umderstand how it hampers business in this country. Repeal Repeal Repeal.

If everyone is going to be entitled to insurance, then those that pay for their coverage should at least have equal coverage to those that don't have to pay. That's what kills me the most. I pay out the wazoo for my insurance, still have an incredibly high deductible that I don't understand, and my I've had to fight my insurance for this entire year over trivial crap they know they should have covered. Our insurance was already bad before Obamacare, but the Affordable Care Act has seemed to make it worse.

 

All in all if our politicians want to help everyone they would fight the costs of health care.

The Affordable Care Act is anything but for people that had affordable care before it was passed. (like a kidney stone)