There is no more to the story...believe me on that.

 

And the fact that you, a pro-union individual who has/had an obvious direct hand in union operations, would use the words "semi-adversarial" in your description of what you think a healthy manager/employee-labor relationship should be would, to me, explain exactly why unions are perceived as broken and outdated.

 

I have worked in multiple aspects of industry, in both unionized and non-unionized workplaces. I've been a union apprentice carpenter, an employee-laborer, and I've been a manager in unionized and non-unionized shops. To be adversarial is to be in opposition to someone, and to say that the unions baseline position is that "we semi-oppose management" is to say that they always semi-disagree with their boss. That, to say the least, is the picture of inefficiency.

 

Time is money. If you want to waste your money, hire an inefficient workforce.

I've worked up and down the management ladder, too. If your pizza grievance is not someone's idea of a dumb joke, then you have serious management-labor relations at your shop or business. "Every business has the union it deserves." I believe that's the cliche.

 

The worst union reps are those that get too chummy with management. The best ones are those that don't take guff from anyone. If I have a legitimate beef over working conditions or health insurance or whatever, I need to know that my rep is going to go to bat for me ... and not be beholden to management for whatever reason. Simple as that. If that spills over into workplace "inefficiencies," then you've got a management problem, not a labor problem.

This thread has shined some light on TTP . I get why he/she is so adversarial on here . Been trained to do so as a union rep. Some of my best friends and immediate family are union members , for the most part all agree being an arm of the democrat party has ran its course and don't care for the politics of their union at all.

I'll bet you were a crackerjack union rep, based on your anti-union sentiments on display in right-wing BGP land. You're right -- "every union has them" -- there's dead wood at every level of a business: top management, middle management, on the floor. It's all part of the vitality curve.

 

Do I believe a bonafide grievance was filed over slices of pizza? No.

 

Nothing like calling someone a liar with no proof. SMH.

Quite a leap to go from "voice on the job" to "every job should be unionized." I'm not seeing anyone else connecting the dots similarly ... nothing on foxnews, newsmax or even infowars.

 

1 if you notice I ended the thread title with a question mark.

2 Do you need a link if you hear her words straight from her.

3 There is no mistaking what her point was, especially based on who the audience was.

1 if you notice I ended the thread title with a question mark.

2 Do you need a link if you hear her words straight from her.

3 There is no mistaking what her point was, especially based on who the audience was.

Hillary ain't calling for every job in this nation to be unionized. That is ludicrous. However, you did succeed in eliciting both anti-Hillary and anti-union rants ... so mission accomplished.

Hillary ain't calling for every job in this nation to be unionized. That is ludicrous. However, you did succeed in eliciting both anti-Hillary and anti-union rants ... so mission accomplished.

 

Of course she isn't calling for every job to be union; she's just pandering to the crowd to get votes. Fun fact: politicians lie. All of them.

Of course she isn't calling for every job to be union; she's just pandering to the crowd to get votes. Fun fact: politicians lie. All of them.

Re: pandering: Does that also mean Trump ain't gonna make America great again?!

Of course she isn't calling for every job to be union; she's just pandering to the crowd to get votes. Fun fact: politicians lie. All of them.

Some are just better at it than others, Hill's in a class of her own.

Re: pandering: Does that also mean Trump ain't gonna make America great again?!

 

You bet.

Re: pandering: Does that also mean Trump ain't gonna make America great again?!

 

About as much as Barry gave us Hope to believe in.

Are the PharmTechs union or the cashiers?

 

In Central Kentucky PharmTech salaries a near minimum wage. But assumed that was due to the fact that every Pharmacist student at the states only Pharmaceutical school had to their PharmTech certification.

 

They are both in the same Union and that's where they are hurt. When Kroger hires you, you are forced to join the union before they will allow you to work. In this case, it doesn't matter what part of the store you will be working in you have to join the union. The union for Kroger Employees (management not included) is the United Foos and Commercial Workers (UFCW) union. They lump our techs with the cashiers and because of that they can't get paid anymore than they do.

 

We get emails here and then about improving our retention rates and this is one of our primary complaints about it. Although it doesn't help that we are a college town and our tech staff is young and thus we have a bit of a revolving door in that regard. However, having the ability to offer a higher wage bases on the more responsibility that a technician has would give us a leg up on hiring and actually keeping our staff.

I've worked up and down the management ladder, too. If your pizza grievance is not someone's idea of a dumb joke, then you have serious management-labor relations at your shop or business. "Every business has the union it deserves." I believe that's the cliche.

 

The worst union reps are those that get too chummy with management. The best ones are those that don't take guff from anyone. If I have a legitimate beef over working conditions or health insurance or whatever, I need to know that my rep is going to go to bat for me ... and not be beholden to management for whatever reason. Simple as that. If that spills over into workplace "inefficiencies," then you've got a management problem, not a labor problem.

 

"Every business has the union it deserves." I've not ever heard, that, but it may very well be a cliche...the type spoken by union workers who adopt that semi-adversarial stance that you were talking about, and who don't really care to see their company thrive.

 

Our workers have absolutely solid work conditions. Better than most even. They have excellent health insurance (we offer free generic prescriptions and $5 doctor visits - even to those who opt for our minimum coverage, zero-premium insurance package) and they are part of the Kentucky Retirement System. If they have a gripe about their pay, which is definitely higher than what they would make in a comparable non-union market, then maybe they need to look for a different job. That's what I've done when I felt I was being under-compensated for my work.

"Every business has the union it deserves." I've not ever heard, that, but it may very well be a cliche...the type spoken by union workers who adopt that semi-adversarial stance that you were talking about, and who don't really care to see their company thrive.

 

Our workers have absolutely solid work conditions. Better than most even. They have excellent health insurance (we offer free generic prescriptions and $5 doctor visits - even to those who opt for our minimum coverage, zero-premium insurance package) and they are part of the Kentucky Retirement System. If they have a gripe about their pay, which is definitely higher than what they would make in a comparable non-union market, then maybe they need to look for a different job. That's what I've done when I felt I was being under-compensated for my work.

Of course Jack and Jill Worker care to see their company thrive. To suggest otherwise is misguided. The only people who need to adopt this semi-adversarial stance of which I speak are the union representatives elected from the rank and file, and only in a setting requiring written or face-to-face meetings with management. Otherwise, everyone on the clock rows in unison and has a smile on their face.

 

I trust you also realize that when we speak of grievances, we're speaking of a formalized, contract-covered process for settling disputes -- only a few of which, in my experience, involved pay. The vast majority do not. So when a union files a grievance on behalf of a worker or group of workers, the issue has entered the realm of "serious." Both the union and management from that point on must follow the written rules for settling the grievance.

sometimes they even involve pizza's !

Some are just better at it than others, Hill's in a class of her own.

 

Clinton's lies are calculated and I'm not sure if Trump knows he's lying or telling the truth, he just kind of shoots his mouth off.