And, Gametime, explain it alittle bit to me. I mean, why is this good for football and not baseball or basketball.

How hard can it be to grasp?

 

Varsity Basketball

 

Huge School- 12-15 players playing 5 spots

Tiny School- 7-8 players

 

Varsity Baseball

 

Huge School 25-30 players playing 11 spots

Tiny School 15-20 players

 

Varsity Football

 

Huge School 75-100 players playing 36 spots

Tiny School 30-40 players

 

How is that hard to grasp?

The past few years, I'd put:

 

Boyle, Danville, Breathitt, Russell, Belfry, Owensboro Cath, Lloyd Memorial, Ft. Campbell, E-Town, Beechwood, N.C.C., and Mayfield up against the "eschelon " of Kentucky Football.

 

You Betcha. :banana:

 

Now, making a run through all 6A to win the ring. TOUGH TO DO...even for the 6A teams. haha !!

 

But, I'd put money that these teams would win games. Yup!

Here's my questions, we go to one class.... these teams by some miracle " win some games", for how long do you think they will "win some games" when they are not able to advance in the playoffs? And how long after that will empathy start in and they don't make the playoffs at all? And how long after that before they start talking about either a.) dropping football or b.) a public private split? Because dream as you will, the top dogs in the state are now, will be, and have been for some time T and X. No success for the teams you listed, no programs. I can only imagine the outcry from the 1, 2, and 3A teams if you tried to put them all in one class with the big dogs.:laugh: Now the thought of that is funny.

How hard can it be to grasp?

 

Varsity Basketball

 

Huge School- 12-15 players playing 5 spots

Tiny School- 7-8 players

 

Varsity Baseball

 

Huge School 25-30 players playing 11 spots

Tiny School 15-20 players

 

Varsity Football

 

Huge School 75-100 players playing 36 spots

Tiny School 30-40 players

 

How is that hard to grasp?

Where are the track and cross country numbers.

The same discrepancies apply in other sports as they do in football IMHO. Where there is quantity...there is more quality. Do you really think year in and year out that paintsville's 6-8 players off the bench in either boys or girls hoops are equal to those at say.....4a Johnson Central even? Some years they may be, but more times than not the larger school is going to have the better players and better depth in every sport. I would be all for 6 classes in baseball, basketball, etc. Most other states have every other sport broken down into classes. Kentucky is behind the times in this way. 6 classes is way too many for football, but 1 class for basketball, baseball, etc. is absurd.

What coaches are saying about the vote....

 

For the move to six classes

 

“I've been in favor of it ever since they've been talking about it. If you look at the scoreboard on Friday nights, a lot of the games are blowouts. If you have smaller districts you can schedule up to seven nondistrict games against teams you can be competitive with. In basketball and baseball and other sports, 100 percent of the teams get in. Decisions like this should be based on what's best for the kids and this gives kids more of an opportunity to be successful, and that's the way to go.”

– Franklin-Simpson head coach Tim Schlosser in the Bowling Green Daily News

 

"It's sure going to change high school football. It may not be best for my school ... but I think it's going to be best for high school football. Seems like every time we increase the number of playoff teams ... football in Kentucky takes a big step forward. We don't have a great number of schools to have six classes, but we do have a great number of disparities (in school size). I'm old enough to remember when one team from a district made it. Then we went to two, and then we went to four and everybody said, 'Well, that'll water it down,' and Bourbon County (a third-place district finisher in 1997) wins the (AA) state championship. I think it just makes everybody better, and it makes it much more fun in the season if you're playing the last game of the season for seeding in the playoffs rather than, 'This is our last game. We're done.' " – Dale Anderson, Southwestern head coach in the Louisville Courier-Journal.

 

"Overall, going to the six-class system is best for high school football in Kentucky. "I don't see any drawbacks at all." -- Jimmy Reed, executive director of the Kentucky High School Coaches Association in the Lexington Herald Leader.

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Historically, anytime the KHSAA does something to add teams to the playoffs, it has had a positive impact.” Mike Harmon, Lafayette head coach in the Lexington Herald Leader.

 

"Border schools are going to have that problem because we're so far disconnected from the central Kentucky schools. And with gas (prices) and everything, that's a tremendous concern. It's going to make our scheduling more difficult. … We're going to have to travel more. But I think the good of all the programs (from a six-class setup) overshadows the one negative that we may have. I'm all in favor of it. Football in this state has grown leaps and bounds, and I think this is another thing that will help get that energy going for more school systems. I think it's a prize worth having. I think that that state championship is going to mean as much to any team that wins it with six classes as it would if it was just one class. You let me win one of six classes, I'm going to celebrate just as hard as if we had four classes. I guarantee you." – Paducah Tilghman head coach Perry Thomas in the Louisville Courier-Journal.

 

Against six classes

“There are going to be a lot of schools in this state that are going to have a hard time scheduling when you just have three district games. The larger the school and better the program, the more difficulty you're going to have in scheduling. You already have so many blowouts in the first round of the playoffs. I don't think bringing weaker teams into the playoffs will enhance that team's season. I don't know, as a coach, how excited I will be going into the playoffs knowing that I'm going to get beat 63-0.” – Kevin Wallace, Bowling Green head coach in the Bowling Green Daily News

 

“Last year, (making the playoffs) was very special for us to do that, because it had been a long time. “It was a goal for our kids and we knew it was not going to be a cakewalk. We struggled and won some nailbiters to get in there. Doing that is a great source of pride for our kids and in 2007 it is going to be hard for us to look at it in the same respect.” – Warren East head coach Ben Bruni in the Bowling Green Daily News.

 

"I think it is an attempt to divert some of the attention from the public-private issue. I think it is an attempt to placate people by offering more championships and take people's minds off the issue. A fear I have is that all we are doing is putting a garden hose on a raging fire, and I don't think that is going to happen. I hope it doesn't water things down so that it takes away the meaning of a championship. We'll have to see how it goes." – Rick Thompson, Boone County head coach from NKY.com

 

"Everyone will make the playoffs now, I think. With four classes, you had to be the best of 52 teams to win a championship. With six classes, a school would have to be the best of only 36 to win.” -- Dale Mueller, Highlands head coach in NKY.com.

 

"Northern Kentucky guys were all against (six classes). We discussed five classes as being a more viable option, but never six. I'm not a big fan of (six classes) myself. That just creates a situation where getting into the playoffs won't be as difficult." - Dixie Heights head coach Tom Spritzky in NKY.com.

 

"It's certainly not what the membership voted for.” -- Lexington Tates Creek head football coach Mark Willoughby, in the Louisville Courier-Journal in reference to the 195-78 statewide vote last October to create separate championships for public and private schools. The Board of Control later rejected the membership's vote in a 9-7 decision.

I see this as alot more traveling for the kids than what we are use to.

Why not then have only one class? That way the ring would be SUPER special, right?

Big Shocker....but I am way for that...

The past few years, I'd put:

 

Boyle, Danville, Breathitt, Russell, Belfry, Owensboro Cath, Lloyd Memorial, Ft. Campbell, E-Town, Beechwood, N.C.C., and Mayfield up against the "eschelon " of Kentucky Football.

 

You Betcha. :banana:

 

Now, making a run through all 6A to win the ring. TOUGH TO DO...even for the 6A teams. haha !!

 

But, I'd put money that these teams would win games. Yup!

 

While I agree that most of those teams would've beaten a few maybe even a bunch of 4A teams in the last 3-4 years....none woudl have beaten Male, St. Xavier, or Trinity...

I think that knowing myself personally, and many of you NKY 4A people, you would hate this....wait until you win that firt 4A or 5A trophy....and you didn't have to beat any of the Big III.....bittersweet, IMO.

I think that knowing myself personally, and many of you NKY 4A people, you would hate this....wait until you win that firt 4A or 5A trophy....and you didn't have to beat any of the Big III.....bittersweet, IMO.

Spoken like a true outsider... :lol:

I just think that with my personal MAKEUP....there is no way that I would be for the current proposal....the Super 20....where NKY would still have to beat some really formidable teams? MAYBE.

I just think that with my personal MAKEUP....there is no way that I would be for the current proposal....the Super 20....where NKY would still have to beat some really formidable teams? MAYBE.

NKY is FAR from the Big III. If they win a title, it will not matter up here. Simple as that...

Here is the problem, I would love for Pikeville to compete in 2a because it looks so competitive but the only school I see remotely close to us in 2a is Betsy Layne and I think there still not competing in district play. After that the closest schools to us in 2a are Middlesboro,Corbin,and Somerset. Although that would be one of the best districts in the entire state all classes with or with out Pikeville in it. It would be a logistical nightmare and be tough on the school system to have to go that far(everyone get out your state maps) at least twice a year and possibly twice more in the playoffs. Pikeville is only about 15 boys away from being 1a so with graduation and transfers we may just squeak in to 1a by next year.

Because if you try and look at the numbers you will see the disparity that people are complaining about. The number of schools is not the problem, its the disparity in the size of the schools. Our state has more diversity in class size from top to bottom in both 1 and 4A presently than most anywhere else in the country. That is the reason for the debate. I don't like that we have small and big schools, I wish we had schools that were all the same size, but schools are community oriented, not state oriented. Meaning the size of the school is based upon the size of the community and the state does not mandate a minimum or a maximum. So with that said, the littlest has 50 odd male students grades 9 -12, while the largest has roughly 1500 male students 9-12. Who in their right minds think that we need to make the school with 50 boys compete against 1500, or even 50 against 500 and call it fair. PLEASE.

Whether you choose to hear it or not, there is validity to the arguments about the disparity in size between the 1A and the 4A classes.

I am still trying to grasp the size of the school issue. I am not familiar with 2A, but it seems only 4A is dominated by the bigger schools. I do know HHS is far from being the one of the largest schools in 3A. And Beechwood is certainly not the largest in 1A, and they seem to be able to compete. All of this seems generated by 4A schools that cannot compete within their class, so they yell unfair, and want something created so they can have a piece of the pie whether they deserve it or not. If you cant tell by now, I am opposed to increasing classes, and not one post on here has even begun to sway my opinion. I see no reason for it.

Check out the scores of the Dixie vs LLoyd games in the last 5 or 6 years, and we're not even one of the big 3.

We play Beechwood starting this year for the first time a long time in week two. I expect a good game.

But one week doesn't say much, how bout you force them to play in our eight team district. I'd bet all my mustard (as you can't bet that other suff on here) that they wouldn't win the district vs. Dixie, Ryle, BC, SK, CC, Holmes, Conner, or Scott. I doubt they would make the playoffs, and if by some miracle they did, under normal circumstances that means a first round trip to Louisville Trinity and a long bus ride back home.

I wouldnt throw the Beechies under that bus. CovCath has all they can handle with them year in and year out, and none of the teams in your above mentioned district are a CovCath.