Taking your side of it (and assuming Cooper isn't afraid to play anyone in the postseason) do you agree the Cooper powers that be believe they have a better chance to win the 6A State Championship than the 5A State Championship?

 

I would say a lot of things probably were involved in it. A chance to have all the Boone Schools in the same class, less travel to save money, even though it would be harder to win and not a better chance to win the State Championship, but would be easier path to the State Championship in most years which keeps interest higher and keeps program growing. So I would assume it was not just one of the three things I listed for why both schools moved to 6A, but probably a combination of the three.

Great point. Which begs to question once again why is the same thing not being asked to CovCath and Highlands? Why move up to 5A when 4A would be easier to win. Especially CovCath who I believe even with their increasing enrollment would have been able to stay in 4A if they had wanted to.

 

I'm just curious why these two teams get questioned for moving up, when all the same arguments could be made for why did Highlands and CovCath move up?

 

I will be glad to discuss both Highlands and CovCath in another thread if you want to start it.

I would say a lot of things probably were involved in it. A chance to have all the Boone Schools in the same class, less travel to save money, even though it would be harder to win and not a better chance to win the State Championship, but would be easier path to the State Championship in most years which keeps interest higher and keeps program growing. So I would assume it was not just one of the three things I listed for why both schools moved to 6A, but probably a combination of the three.

 

It is either easier to win the 6A State Championship or easier to win the 5A State Championship.

It is either easier to win the 6A State Championship or easier to win the 5A State Championship.

 

At the end of the road it is harder to win the 6A Championship because you have a team like Trinity who is usually the best in the State each year. However the way it is currently set up in 6A. It is easier to get to the State Semi's and Championship than it probably would be in 5A. So which one is better for programs trying to grow? 5A where you see probably have to beat 2 out of the top 5 teams in the State in the first 3 rounds just to get to the Semi's? Or 6A where you probably don't see any of the top 4 teams until at least the Semi's? Yes once you get to the Semi's even State Title game the team you ultimately have to beat to win it, is harder than any team in 5A. However for programs trying to get to continue to build a program to a top level, it would look better and keep the school, players, and future players more excited and believing in the program when you are making deeper runs in playoffs. It could happen in 5A to, just the path in 5A is its hardest at the beginning of the playoffs, and the path in 6A is its hardest at the end.

 

So as I mentioned in the post before, I am sure that is one of the things that was considered to go along with being in the same class as the other Boone schools, and to save money on travel.

At the end of the road it is harder to win the 6A Championship because you have a team like Trinity who is usually the best in the State each year. However the way it is currently set up in 6A. It is easier to get to the State Semi's and Championship than it probably would be in 5A. So which one is better for programs trying to grow? 5A where you see probably have to beat 2 out of the top 5 teams in the State in the first 3 rounds just to get to the Semi's? Or 6A where you probably don't see any of the top 4 teams until at least the Semi's? Yes once you get to the Semi's even State Title game the team you ultimately have to beat to win it, is harder than any team in 5A. However for programs trying to get to continue to build a program to a top level, it would look better and keep the school, players, and future players more excited and believing in the program when you are making deeper runs in playoffs. It could happen in 5A to, just the path in 5A is its hardest at the beginning of the playoffs, and the path in 6A is its hardest at the end.

 

So as I mentioned in the post before, I am sure that is one of the things that was considered to go along with being in the same class as the other Boone schools, and to save money on travel.

 

What you are saying is Cooper, Conner and Boone County are running away from Highlands and Covington Catholic.

 

And I disagree with your overall logic, you have to beat the best teams eventually, it shouldn't matter whether it is early in the playoffs or late in the playoffs.

Thanks for the laugh of the day.

 

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I would say a lot of things probably were involved in it. A chance to have all the Boone Schools in the same class, less travel to save money, even though it would be harder to win and not a better chance to win the State Championship, but would be easier path to the State Championship in most years which keeps interest higher and keeps program growing. So I would assume it was not just one of the three things I listed for why both schools moved to 6A, but probably a combination of the three.

 

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this but I thought prior to this most recent reclassification, that the KHSAA used a two year average enrollment to determine what class schools should belong to. But for some reason, this year they changed it to a four year average. With a two year average Cov Cath would have sat at the bottom fourth in terms of population within 5A. Even with a four year average, they were (I believe) going to be the 2nd largest 4A school behind Johnson Central.

So going into it, I imagine the powers at Cov Cath assumed the KHSAA would be basing things on two year averages as in years past and as such, were prepared to make that move. When it came out differently and the KHSAA allowed teams to petition up or down, being as they were so close anyway and by the following year would definitely fall in 5A anyway, they went ahead and made the move.

Personally I wish the KHSAA had not allowed any petitions to move up or down- you play where you fall in population and be done. I have no idea what Highlands numbers are.

It is either easier to win the 6A State Championship or easier to win the 5A State Championship.

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Great point. Which begs to question once again why is the same thing not being asked to CovCath and Highlands? Why move up to 5A when 4A would be easier to win. Especially CovCath who I believe even with their increasing enrollment would have been able to stay in 4A if they had wanted to.

 

I'm just curious why these two teams get questioned for moving up, when all the same arguments could be made for why did Highlands and CovCath move up?

You stole my thunder. As I've already asked several times, why the hard time for Cooper but not same for HHS or CCH? Especially CCH, seeing how many always say how if it wasn't for HHS them CCH would win all those state titles. So why didn't CCH stay put?

 

I truly don't think it was about "easiest way to win" if it was Cooper would have moved Down to 4A and what about Dixie?

This seems like a cost issue. Public schools don't have big time boosters. They stay with coaches that don't win. How the football team does is not a big concern. That's how I feel with kids in kenton county public schools. Sports just isn't the big draw it may be for private cathlic schools. Take even Beachwood. Great school, football is a huge part of life there. At Dixie,SK,SHS. Not so much. Heck good players that live in Dixies district went to BW for years. Heck kids that could have started for Dixie that live down the street have went to BW.

You stole my thunder. As I've already asked several times, why the hard time for Cooper but not same for HHS or CCH? Especially CCH, seeing how many always say how if it wasn't for HHS them CCH would win all those state titles. So why didn't CCH stay put?

 

I truly don't think it was about "easiest way to win" if it was Cooper would have moved Down to 4A and what about Dixie?

 

Cov Cath's enrollment will probably be over 600 boys next year. 5A is where they should be enrollment wise. Even if their enrollment was still below 500, they would still probably prefer 5A. As for the Cooper/Conner question. I think its logistics logistics logistics.

Cov Cath's enrollment will probably be over 600 boys next year. 5A is where they should be enrollment wise. Even if their enrollment was still below 500, they would still probably prefer 5A. As for the Cooper/Conner question. I think its logistics logistics logistics.

I do too. Those trips to South Oldham for games won't be missed by my car lol.

So they left 5A because of travel but scheduled Lexington Catholic this year makes since.

It does make SENSE if you don't play down every year like Some teams i Know. We are playing Highlands, but hey, they're Highlands. And yes, we play NCC but that is Borchers' alma mater and they've been to State like how many times lately?? I guess we could have scheduled a local 4A team instead, like the 'Neers have done.

I'm enjoying all the angst about teams playing UP!