I understand what you mean, but if look at the record books a lot of the same teams win STATE.

It sounds to me like this argument should be guided towards "Should private schools be allowed to compete in the All-A"

 

Of those really dominate A school teams in the past, how many of them have been public schools?

And no, they have won it multiple times.

 

1994

1997

1998

1999

2004

2005

2006

 

2015 was for the first time for the girls to win it all ("State", that is). :smug:

But the underlying statement that you are making is that A teams that tend to "over achieve" should not be permitted to participate in the "All A". Penalizing a team because they tend to achieve beyond what is expected? A similar argument could be made that, because HHS football is so successful and has been dominant in their class, they should no longer be allowed to participate in 4A? I know that they have chosen to play up a class because of travel, competitiveness, etc. but it should be applauded that they achieve at a high level rather than try to exclude them.

 

Holy Cross girls hadn't been to the ALL A state for 9 years and you're saying their inclusion this year wasn't fair? C'mon Man!

It sounds to me like this argument should be guided towards "Should private schools be allowed to compete in the All-A"

 

Of those really dominate A school teams in the past, how many of them have been public schools?

 

I think there is a little be to that. Murry is public I think. But you're right, Owensboro Cath, NCC, HC, Brossart.

 

Did a little quick research. Since 2000, there have only been 4 finals that didn't include a private schools. Out of the 11 that did include a private school, half of those finals consisted of both teams being private.

How many All A schools have won the KHSAA state tournament?

But the underlying statement that you are making is that A teams that tend to "over achieve" should not be permitted to participate in the "All A". Penalizing a team because they tend to achieve beyond what is expected? A similar argument could be made that, because HHS football is so successful and has been dominant in their class, they should no longer be allowed to participate in 4A? I know that they have chosen to play up a class because of travel, competitiveness, etc. but it should be applauded that they achieve at a high level rather than try to exclude them.

 

Holy Cross girls hadn't been to the ALL A state for 9 years and you're saying their inclusion this year wasn't fair? C'mon Man!

 

No....football has classes. That's what the state chose. BBall does not have classes. You can't compare the two. I'm sure there are reasons that the state made those rules. In your scenario, that 4A team is forced to compete in 4A. In bball, there are no classifications. Everyone competes together. That's the rules of the state.

 

I'm saying that teams that can compete for a regular title should not be able to do both. Period! I don't care how you make it work, that's how it should be. I gave you my suggestions on how to make that happen and I even said it would have to be a year to year thing because kids graduate every year. HC has very little chance to win the A next year. I would have no issue if they were allowed in.

How many All A schools have won the KHSAA state tournament?

 

There have only been like 25-30 different schools in history win it. What's it matter is they are A schools. How many 6A, 5A, 4A, 3A and 2A schools have won it. There are tons of 6A schools that have never made it out of their region!

Can you imagine the mess if schools were only permitted to participate in one of the two tournaments. KHSAA would never allow that to happen and I believe penalizes schools that don't participate in the district/regional tournaments.

Can you imagine the mess if schools were only permitted to participate in one of the two tournaments. KHSAA would never allow that to happen and I believe penalizes schools that don't participate in the district/regional tournaments.

 

It could happen if they created an A (small school) tournament. You opt into one or the other. If we want to treat this like a state championship and we all know the KHSAA gets to keep their golden egg of the sweet 16, this would be a solution.

How many All A schools have won the KHSAA state tournament?

 

My guess is zero? Maybe 1 back in 1912? Why does that matter?

I, for one, have no issue with the All-A tournament. The winner should claim a "state title." Is it as prestigious as the overall KHSAA state champion? Of course not! But that doesn't mean that the title doesn't matter to these schools.

 

Also, you can't compare classes in football to classes in basketball. 11 players play at one time in football...only 5 in basketball. Much easier for a smaller school to compete on the hardwood then the gridiron.

My guess is zero? Maybe 1 back in 1912? Why does that matter?

 

LCA won both in 2006

You sure about that? Every time - exactly that? I can send you the links, the Tweets, the pictures of rings...

 

 

 

Then the teams in the All-A will not be participating in the State Tournament at the end of the season since they are in a different class, right?

 

 

 

Makes sense. Except you forgot one thing. We don't have classes in basketball. Who the All-A includes is up to them - they could make it schools sized 200 and below - or 1000 and below. Or only schools in Region 1,5,14, and 16. It's a regular season tournament, not a playoff.

 

Guess what they did make a class for this tournament and based it off the enrollment of 200. Just like guess what they make classes in football based off of enrollment numbers. Honestly I bet the KHSAA loves that this All A happened. This way they don't have to feel pressured to change the history of how Kentucky does theirs. If the All A never came about, I bet you the KHSAA would have caved and went of official classes just like other states like Indiana eventually gave in. So yeah the KHSAA is never going to officially recognize it, because this way they could say that Kentucky is one of the only states that still does it this way. When honestly they are probably pretty happy the All A tournament does exist, because it prevented them from getting pressured into having to do it. It keeps the small schools happy, because it is TRUE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP FOR THEM. Since the All A did make an enrollment number like the KHSAA does for classes in football. Every single school with that enrollment number that fit it participate in it across the whole state. So yes when a team wins it, then yes they are the All A State Champion. Or they could have called it the small school state champion. However since it does have an exact number for its enrollment, and all the schools across the state in that enrollment participate it. There is nothing else to call them but a State Champion for whatever they want to call it because that is what they are. In this case it is the All A State Champion. Which the banners they get I believe do say All A State Champion, so there is no confusion between that and the KHSAA State Championship.

 

I really think its a problem that you have such a problem with this. There is no false hope, or whatever you want to call it when kids talk about it 20 years from now. Because say if they did win it, then yes 20 years from now they could still tell everyone we were the All A State Champions, because guess what they were. If you have a problem if people just only call them State Champion and don't say it was the All A State Championship. Then fine complain about that, because I could at least buy that argument. However there is nothing wrong with people calling themselves the All A State Champion, and makes no sense why you have such a problem with that.

It could happen if they created an A (small school) tournament. You opt into one or the other. If we want to treat this like a state championship and we all know the KHSAA gets to keep their golden egg of the sweet 16, this would be a solution.

 

As I just mentioned in a longer post. I bet the KHSAA loves the fact that the All A State Tournament is around. Which of coarse the KHSAA won't recognize it, because they could still now say we are one of the only states that still hasn't changed. I would be willing to bet if the All A State Tournament never came around, that the KHSAA would have caved under the pressure of things and eventually officially went to classes like other states ended up doing. So the All A State Tournament might not be an official KHSAA thing, however it is doing exactly what the KHSAA wants done and that is keeping smaller schools happy so they didn't have to give in and could keep its history. That's the only reason why the KHSAA probably doesn't officially back it, because now there is a Small School State Champ that keeps the small schools happy and allows them not to have to change from the history of this state.