Just did a little research on my own and now I absolutlly dont have a problem with the winner of this Tourny calling themselves state champions. They are the small school state champions.

 

So you are for classes in sports that don't have them? Why have 1 champ when 2 is better?

The All-A is what, schools with enrollment 500 and below? (I can't find the number) If you took all the football schools 500 and below and put them in 1 class, it would be classes 1A+2A+3A and most of 4A. If it was that way, football would be better.

 

All-A is smallest 120 or 125 schools in the state. The football playoffs incorporate 32 teams in each class. I would consider winning the ALL-A tournament an achievement of greater significance than winning a football state championship.

I agree with the bolded. My cousin who lives in Indiana said he hates the classification system they now have, and that a lot of fans of basketball in their state wishes they had gone to an All A type tournament like in Kentucky, and maybe stop the class system tournament movement in it's tracks.

 

I agree the A has kept people in the small schools from complaining and maybe allowing the KHSAA to have their cake and eat it too. There's no doubt that has happened. Here's the only issue I have with singling out one class. What about the schools that fall right outside the number they chose to allow to be in the tournament. They still have to compete with school in some cases, threes times the size of their school. If this is such a great opportunity and such a good thing for the kids, why aren't we advocating for it to happen at all levels. Because there is a large group of kids and schools that fall outside of the small school limit that could use the same exact reasoning about playing much larger schools. And in the end, it's a hypocritical argument because most of the schools that do well in the all A can compete anyway! If you want to segregate and discriminate, then give teams the choice. You can play in the All A or you can play in the open. Heck, play them at the same time. Again, nothing against HC. They played and won a tournament they were invited to. But if there were no Etown team this year, I would say if HC makes it out of the 9th, they would have just as good a shot of winning the state tournament as anyone. So why is it okay to allow them to play in both. Do you want to win the A or do you want a chance to win what's behind the curtain?? Make them chose.

So you are for classes in sports that don't have them? Why have 1 champ when 2 is better?

 

It's kind of no different then the NCAA Tourny and the NIT. We know the winner of the NCAA is the Champion bust isn't the winner of the NIT still called National champions also?

All-A is smallest 120 or 125 schools in the state. The football playoffs incorporate 32 teams in each class. I would consider winning the ALL-A tournament an achievement of greater significance than winning a football state championship.

 

How many of those 125 had any kind of chance of winning the A? Until HC got to the third round of the state, they didn't even have a remotely close game. So you can use the overall numbers to make it look better, but in reality, there may have been maybe 10 teams in the entire state with a chance and really everyone know it was pretty much going to come down to the two teams that played in the finals before it started.

It's kind of no different then the NCAA Tourny and the NIT. We know the winner of the NCAA is the Champion bust isn't the winner of the NIT still called National champions also?

 

That one may be a stretch. Personally, I call the winner of the NCAA the National Champs and I would say, "yea, they won the NIT last year.

How many of those 125 had any kind of chance of winning the A? Until HC got to the third round of the state, they didn't even have a remotely close game. So you can use the overall numbers to make it look better, but in reality, there may have been maybe 10 teams in the entire state with a chance and really everyone know it was pretty much going to come down to the two teams that played in the finals before it started.

 

Hasn't it already been established that HC had only won the All "A" 9th Region one time in the history of the tourney? Thought I read that somewhere.

Hasn't it already been established that HC had only won the All "A" 9th Region one time in the history of the tourney? Thought I read that somewhere.

 

No idea, but I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted. I'm saying that every year in this tournament, everyone has an idea that it will come down to 1 of about a very small handful of teams that actually even having a shot. Saying there are 125 teams in the tournament and saying that it's hard to win that tournament in a given year is not really that tough. You can pretty much predict who it will come down to (within 5-6 teams) every year. All I'm saying is yes, each year 125 teams compete in it. But 95% of those teams ever year have absolutely no chance to win. When 95% of the tournament has no chance to win or really do anything in the tournament, then the competition in that tournament is not that great. So you can't really use the high number of teams as justification when comparing competition levels to another sport.

Hasn't it already been established that HC had only won the All "A" 9th Region one time in the history of the tourney? Thought I read that somewhere.

 

And no, they have won it multiple times.

 

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It's kind of no different then the NCAA Tourny and the NIT. We know the winner of the NCAA is the Champion bust isn't the winner of the NIT still called National champions also?

 

So Stanford can claim they were National Champs in 2012?

How many of those 125 had any kind of chance of winning the A? Until HC got to the third round of the state, they didn't even have a remotely close game. So you can use the overall numbers to make it look better, but in reality, there may have been maybe 10 teams in the entire state with a chance and really everyone know it was pretty much going to come down to the two teams that played in the finals before it started.

 

How many have a true chance to win the sweet sixteen? Isn't that the case with all tournaments? There were teams at this tournament that would never have another chance to represent their region in a state tournament atmosphere. Whether they win or not, they still travel to Frankfort and represent their region and that's pretty cool. It's not all about the state tournament, it's a big deal to win the All A regional.

How many have a true chance to win the sweet sixteen? Isn't that the case with all tournaments? There were teams at this tournament that would never have another chance to represent their region in a state tournament atmosphere. Whether they win or not, they still travel to Frankfort and represent their region and that's pretty cool.

 

And that's who this tournament should be for! Not teams that have chances to "double dip" on the experience. I would be all in if this tournament were filled with the teams you are talking about.

You can say the same thing about the sweet 16, it sounds like sour grapes to me, a School with 950 kids lossing to A Schools 6 or 7 times a year.

You can say the same thing about the sweet 16, it sounds like sour grapes to me, a School with 950 kids lossing to A Schools 6 or 7 times a year.

 

That's kinda my point...if a school with 950 kids is losing to good A schools 6-7 times a year, why do those schools that are beating that other school need a separate tournament?? If they are beating much larger schools consistently, why the need for them to play in the A? I thought the A was for all the small schools that don't get other opportunities. That's what everyone says. If it truly was for the small schools that can't compete, I'd be in the first row of every game I could make!

How many have a true chance to win the sweet sixteen? Isn't that the case with all tournaments? There were teams at this tournament that would never have another chance to represent their region in a state tournament atmosphere. Whether they win or not, they still travel to Frankfort and represent their region and that's pretty cool. It's not all about the state tournament, it's a big deal to win the All A regional.

 

How many teams could win the sweet 16?? Well barring the one overly dominate team this year, I would say there are many that could make a run and win. Look at the top 25 and if any of them were playing good and Etown didn't exist, just about all of them could make a run and maybe a couple others. In the A, the majority of the teams could play the best game of their career and never touch 4-5 teams in the tournament.